I've been following the latest DMG debacle. Perhaps somebody could
answer me a small question I have.

Is it possible to buy an 1125R out of the showroom, and then buy
homologated, legal tuning parts, fit them and arrive at the same machine
as an 1125RR?

If it is, then there's no problem. Buell are simply saving people the
trouble of assembling a pile of race bike parts by selling them as a
package.

If it isn't, then AMA/DMG/Buell are taking the **** and ignoring the
rule book.

end of.

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Julian Bond wrote:
> I've been following the latest DMG debacle. Perhaps somebody could
> answer me a small question I have.
>
> Is it possible to buy an 1125R out of the showroom, and then buy
> homologated, legal tuning parts, fit them and arrive at the same machine
> as an 1125RR?

Yes. If you have a competition license. I don't see why anyone
couldn't sell a 'race ready' version of their bike, as long as it fit
the rules. Big hubub over nothing if you ask me.

Pete


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Pete Snell notes:

> Julian Bond wrote:

> > Is it possible to buy an 1125R out of the showroom, and then buy
> > homologated, legal tuning parts, fit them and arrive at the same machine
> > as an 1125RR?
>
> Yes. If you have a competition license.

No, if you follow the rule book. As an example, the RR web page
lists larger airbox and intake manifold, prohibited in 2.12 i and iii
of
the rule book. Also, the forks are different, prohibited in 2.7a.

I haven't looked real extensively but the answer is, no, you
can't build one yourself without busting the rule book.
Are the changes of any consequence? Who knows?
Who cares? I might be convinced to watch by the
fact that the anti-christ is no longer winning but doubt
it.


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Mike S.

Pete Snell <snell-(E-Mail Removed)> Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:13:08
>Julian Bond wrote:
>> I've been following the latest DMG debacle. Perhaps somebody could
>>answer me a small question I have.
>> Is it possible to buy an 1125R out of the showroom, and then buy
>>homologated, legal tuning parts, fit them and arrive at the same
>>machine as an 1125RR?
>
> Yes. If you have a competition license. I don't see why anyone
>couldn't sell a 'race ready' version of their bike, as long as it fit
>the rules. Big hubub over nothing if you ask me.

That's the point. Except that some stories have it that the RR has parts
on it that are not homologated for the R. Like bigger intake stacks and
different forks.

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Julian Bond wrote:
> Pete Snell <snell-(E-Mail Removed)> Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:13:08
>> Julian Bond wrote:
>>> I've been following the latest DMG debacle. Perhaps somebody could
>>> answer me a small question I have.
>>> Is it possible to buy an 1125R out of the showroom, and then buy
>>> homologated, legal tuning parts, fit them and arrive at the same
>>> machine as an 1125RR?
>>
>> Yes. If you have a competition license. I don't see why anyone
>> couldn't sell a 'race ready' version of their bike, as long as it fit
>> the rules. Big hubub over nothing if you ask me.
>
> That's the point. Except that some stories have it that the RR has parts
> on it that are not homologated for the R. Like bigger intake stacks and
> different forks.

Don't know about the stacks. (bigger or longer?). If the forks are
BPF's, then I believe there is already a TIF in place to allow their use.

Pete


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Howard Kveck <(E-Mail Removed)> Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:00:57
>A couple of months ago Erik Buell told me that he wanted to homologate
>a bunch of
>racing parts for the 1125R and start racing it seriously in the AMA American
>Superbike class. The problem, he told me, was that AMA Pro officials
>told him that
>they would only approve the parts if Buell put them on a bike and sold it as a
>complete, ready to go motorcycle, in essence a racing-only model or
>version of the
>1125R.

Because the parts would have been outside the rule book?

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Howard Kveck <(E-Mail Removed)> Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:39:41
>In article <RTsoG+(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Julian Bond <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Howard Kveck <(E-Mail Removed)> Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:00:57
>> >A couple of months ago Erik Buell told me that he wanted to homologate
>> >a bunch of
>> >racing parts for the 1125R and start racing it seriously in the AMA American
>> >Superbike class. The problem, he told me, was that AMA Pro officials
>> >told him
>> >that they would only approve the parts if Buell put them on a bike
>> >and sold it as
>> >a complete, ready to go motorcycle, in essence a racing-only model or
>> >version of the 1125R.
>>
>> Because the parts would have been outside the rule book?
>
> That's the bigger part of how I interpret that. The other is AMA
>suggesting to
>Buell that he could make a race-only bike for a production bike series.
>It seems to
>open a huge can o' worms - everyone'll want to do those bikes.

The quote above obviously needs paraphrasing.

A couple of months ago Buell told the AMA that the 1125R could only be
competitive in SBK if they homologated some parts that were outside the
rule book. The AMA Pro officials said they would only approve the parts
if they were included in a street legal homologated motorcycle like
everyone else. But if Buell produced a ready to go race motorcycle
including those parts, they were prepared to rip up the rule book and
homologate it anyway because it still wouldn't be competitive.

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Julian Bond notes:

>But if Buell produced a ready to go race motorcycle
> including those parts, they were prepared to rip up the rule book and
> homologate it anyway because it still wouldn't be competitive.

Unless they somehow convinced the anti-Christ and his Yosh
crew to ride/tune it. All it would take is a few dump trucks
of cash to get them.


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