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Rob Kleinschmidt
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      09-17-2009, 07:45 PM
I've got a modified '88 BMW airhead paralever driveshaft
with circlip retained, zerk fitted spiders that read

"Germany INA f-200698.1 GHJ"

About 48mm+ long with a bearing OD of 19mm.

Anybody able to suggest a source for these buggers ?

Not in a big hurry, but would like to have this info for
future reference. INA is the bearing company I believe.
Contemplating a possible DIY replacement.

Thanks
 
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      09-18-2009, 12:20 PM

"Datesfat Chicks" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Rob Kleinschmidt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> I've got a modified '88 BMW airhead paralever driveshaft
>> with circlip retained, zerk fitted spiders that read
>>
>> "Germany INA f-200698.1 GHJ"
>>
>> About 48mm+ long with a bearing OD of 19mm.
>>
>> Anybody able to suggest a source for these buggers ?
>>
>> Not in a big hurry, but would like to have this info for
>> future reference. INA is the bearing company I believe.
>> Contemplating a possible DIY replacement.

>
> What am I missing?
>
> I think if you contact the fine folks at INA:
>
> http://www.ina.com/content.ina.de/en/index.jsp
>
> They could probably offer some good suggestions.
>
> If they give you the runaround, you can always send an e-mail with the
> text "And that, folks, is why you started two world wars and lost them
> both". Any reply might be good for a laugh.
>
> Datesfat


Aside from the fact that WW1 was initiated by a Serbian nationalist attack
on Austro-Hungary, your grasp of history is impeccable!


 
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Outback Jon
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      09-18-2009, 01:07 PM
Vito wrote:
> A friend went to Germany expecting to find an aftermarket similar to the H-D
> aftermarket in the states. He found none because it was essentially illegal
> to even change handlebars or brand/size of tires, let alone mufflers, etc.
> They have the same reaction to motorcycle mod's as a devout Muslim has to
> seeing his teen daughter in a bikini in public.


Except that the Germans' reaction involves less stones.

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Schiffner
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      09-18-2009, 03:36 PM
On Sep 18, 7:07*am, Outback Jon <team...@ver.no.sp.am.izon.net> wrote:
> Vito wrote:
> > A friend went to Germany expecting to find an aftermarket similar to the H-D
> > aftermarket in the states. He found none because it was essentially illegal
> > to even change handlebars or brand/size of tires, let alone mufflers, etc.
> > They have the same reaction to motorcycle mod's as a devout Muslim has to
> > seeing his teen daughter in a bikini in public.

>
> Except that the Germans' reaction involves less stones.
>


Heh, they just drop the offender off in Hoehenfel's and let the wild
hogs deal with it. If you make it out alive you are considered
innocent and sin free. ;^)
 
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TOG@Toil
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      09-18-2009, 03:44 PM
On 18 Sep, 13:18, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> A friend went to Germany expecting to find an aftermarket similar to the H-D
> aftermarket in the states. He found none because it was essentially illegal
> to even change handlebars or brand/size of tires, let alone mufflers, etc.


This isn't quite right. The system is that aftermarket parts have to
be approved by the inspectorate, TUV. Their testing is very stringent
and expensive, and for small accessory companies, it isn't worth the
hassle or expense.

But if you gain TUV approval, that tells the rest of Europe that
you've cracked the big one, and your stuff is good.

 
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Rob Kleinschmidt
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      09-18-2009, 04:54 PM
On Sep 17, 8:44 pm, "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9ce1f2b4-dc6f-4d6b-b221-(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> > I've got a modified '88 BMW airhead paralever driveshaft
> > with circlip retained, zerk fitted spiders that read

>
> > "Germany INA f-200698.1 GHJ"

>
> > About 48mm+ long with a bearing OD of 19mm.

>
> > Anybody able to suggest a source for these buggers ?

>
> > Not in a big hurry, but would like to have this info for
> > future reference. INA is the bearing company I believe.
> > Contemplating a possible DIY replacement.

>
> What am I missing?
>
> I think if you contact the fine folks at INA:
>
> http://www.ina.com/content.ina.de/en/index.jsp
>
> They could probably offer some good suggestions.
>
> If they give you the runaround, you can always send an e-mail with the text
> "And that, folks, is why you started two world wars and lost them both".
> Any reply might be good for a laugh.


I found a driveshaft rebuilder who says he can also sell
me the part.

http://www.hendersenprecision.com/in..._products.html

He says roughly $65 parts cost for the spiders alone.

His $450 drivshaft rebuild involves tack welding extra
rings on the ends of the yokes for a circlipl channel,
replacement of the OEM spiders with the same Zerk
fitted one that I was trying to source and replacement of
the center shock coupling with a new one, your choice
of stiffness.

I talked to the owner on the phone for a while and he tells
me that my driveshaft is in incredibly good shape for
the kind of milage it's racked up. Since I'm pretty busy
replacing the final drive, I think I'll let it go for another
season, but I definitely like this shop.

He also claims he had absolutely no part in starting
either WWI or WWII, though I cannot personally verify
this.
 
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Rob Kleinschmidt
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      09-18-2009, 05:05 PM
On Sep 18, 5:18 am, "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> I see you've never owned a BMW. According to BMW NA, AG and all suppliers
> Rob owns the finest motorcycle in the world and should happily put up with
> any foibles without complaint. They said so in letters to customers. Nor,
> being good Germans, are they going to help Rob thwart their established
> supply system.
>
> A friend went to Germany expecting to find an aftermarket similar to the H-D
> aftermarket in the states. He found none because it was essentially illegal
> to even change handlebars or brand/size of tires, let alone mufflers, etc.
> They have the same reaction to motorcycle mod's as a devout Muslim has to
> seeing his teen daughter in a bikini in public.


Actually, there are some "sheddies" in Germany making some
really nice aftermarket high tech stuff for the bike, but you're
correct that they're working outside the established supply chain.

If you're in the orthodox chain, the idea of somebody marketing a
wierd top gear with one less tooth that mates with a stock gear by
using
bizarre gear tooth curves is probably horrifying beyond belief.

Cranking out strange and horrifying aftermarket parts from an backyard
machine shop may be a sort of Gemanic equivalent of sticking it to
the man.
 
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Schiffner
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      09-18-2009, 05:57 PM
On Sep 18, 10:54*am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 17, 8:44 pm, "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote in message

>
> >news:9ce1f2b4-dc6f-4d6b-b221-(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> > > I've got a modified '88 BMW airhead paralever driveshaft
> > > with circlip retained, zerk fitted spiders that read

>
> > > * "Germany INA f-200698.1 GHJ"

>
> > > About 48mm+ long with a bearing OD of 19mm.

>
> > > Anybody able to suggest a source for these buggers ?

>
> > > Not in a big hurry, but would like to have this info for
> > > future reference. INA is the bearing company I believe.
> > > Contemplating a possible DIY replacement.

>
> > What am I missing?

>
> > I think if you contact the fine folks at INA:

>
> >http://www.ina.com/content.ina.de/en/index.jsp

>
> > They could probably offer some good suggestions.

>
> > If they give you the runaround, you can always send an e-mail with the text
> > "And that, folks, is why you started two world wars and lost them both"..
> > Any reply might be good for a laugh.

>
> I found a driveshaft rebuilder who says he can also sell
> me the part.
>
> http://www.hendersenprecision.com/in..._products.html
>
> He says roughly $65 parts cost for the spiders alone.


<sigh> might as well do it while you are in there...that's how I tend
to work. Saves time and effort not to mention money in the long run.
 
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Rob Kleinschmidt
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      09-18-2009, 07:42 PM
On Sep 18, 10:57 am, Schiffner <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 10:54 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 8:44 pm, "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:

>
> > > "Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote in message

>
> > >news:9ce1f2b4-dc6f-4d6b-b221-(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> > > > I've got a modified '88 BMW airhead paralever driveshaft
> > > > with circlip retained, zerk fitted spiders that read

>
> > > > "Germany INA f-200698.1 GHJ"

>
> > > > About 48mm+ long with a bearing OD of 19mm.

>
> > > > Anybody able to suggest a source for these buggers ?

>
> > > > Not in a big hurry, but would like to have this info for
> > > > future reference. INA is the bearing company I believe.
> > > > Contemplating a possible DIY replacement.

>
> > > What am I missing?

>
> > > I think if you contact the fine folks at INA:

>
> > >http://www.ina.com/content.ina.de/en/index.jsp

>
> > > They could probably offer some good suggestions.

>
> > > If they give you the runaround, you can always send an e-mail with the text
> > > "And that, folks, is why you started two world wars and lost them both".
> > > Any reply might be good for a laugh.

>
> > I found a driveshaft rebuilder who says he can also sell
> > me the part.

>
> >http://www.hendersenprecision.com/in..._products.html

>
> > He says roughly $65 parts cost for the spiders alone.

>
> <sigh> might as well do it while you are in there...that's how I tend
> to work. Saves time and effort not to mention money in the long run.


I think I'll hold off for a year. I do about 10,000-15,000
miles a year and usually plan an anual pulldown to
lube U-joints and clutch splines. Right now, I just want
to get back on the road while the weather's still good.

Might not hurt though to have the spiders stashed away
and waiting. What's an optimal sized hammer for bashing
this kind of delicate stuff ?

 
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      09-18-2009, 08:09 PM
On Sep 18, 12:42*pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com>
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> Might not hurt though to have the spiders stashed away
> and waiting. What's an optimal sized hammer for bashing
> this kind of delicate stuff ?


How much can you lift?
 
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