An old non-computer literate friend has the above bike and wants to know
the correct oil for the primary chain case.
Some say engine oil....others auto transmission fluid.
He recently topped up the oil and found he could no longer turn the
engine over on the kick start.
Any help gratefully received.

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Jules
Brisbane, Australia

On or around Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:00:32 +1000, Julian Cann
<(E-Mail Removed)> enlightened us thusly:

>An old non-computer literate friend has the above bike and wants to know
>the correct oil for the primary chain case.
>Some say engine oil....others auto transmission fluid.
>He recently topped up the oil and found he could no longer turn the
>engine over on the kick start.
>Any help gratefully received.

what did he put in it?

has to be possible that it's fought with what's in there.

consensus here (mind, neither me nor Father has ever had an A65) is engine
oil, on the basis that sooner or later you'll get a leak one way or the
other :-)

when he says "can't turn it over" is this "it feels a bit stiff" or "it's
locked solid"?

too-heavy oil might be a problem, but I doubt engine oil comes into that
category. EP90 or something might.
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On 27 Apr, 09:39, Austin Shackles
<austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESU...@ddol-las.net> wrote:
> On or around Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:00:32 +1000, Julian Cann
> <julianREMOVETHISc...@hotmail.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >An old non-computer literate friend has the above bike and wants to know
> >the correct oil for the primary chain case.
> >Some say engine oil....others auto transmission fluid.
> >He recently topped up the oil and found he could no longer turn the
> >engine over on the kick start.
> >Any help gratefully received.
>
> what did he put in it?
>
> has to be possible that it's fought with what's in there.
>
> consensus here (mind, neither me nor Father has ever had an A65) is engine
> oil, on the basis that sooner or later you'll get a leak one way or the
> other :-)
>
> when he says "can't turn it over" is this "it feels a bit stiff" or "it's
> locked solid"?
>
> too-heavy oil might be a problem, but I doubt engine oil comes into that
> category. EP90 or something might.

I wonder if it shoud be lighter? From memory my Norton takes 30 in the
primary and 80/90 in the gearbox.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed) (Austin Shackles) wrote:

> consensus here (mind, neither me nor Father has ever had an A65) is
> engine oil, on the basis that sooner or later you'll get a leak one
> way or the other :-)

Well, with the Bonnevile I had at one point, it was engine oil. With a
wet clutch you really do not want something with high viscosity like
EP90.


Ken Young

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> (E-Mail Removed) (Austin Shackles) wrote:
>
> > consensus here (mind, neither me nor Father has ever had an A65) is
> > engine oil, on the basis that sooner or later you'll get a leak one
> > way or the other :-)
>
> Well, with the Bonnevile I had at one point, it was engine oil. With a
> wet clutch you really do not want something with high viscosity like
> EP90.
>

I wouldn't recommend it for road use but I ran a racing sidecar outfit (750
Suzuki two-stroke triple) with EP-90 in the transmission for 3 seasons. It
was a bitch to free the clutch first thing in the morning but, after that,
it worked fine. It ran the same clutch plates for the entire three seasons,
which is more than I can say for just about every other engine component.

T.

"Julian Cann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om.au...
> An old non-computer literate friend has the above bike and wants to know
> the correct oil for the primary chain case.
> Some say engine oil....others auto transmission fluid.
> He recently topped up the oil and found he could no longer turn the
> engine over on the kick start.
> Any help gratefully received.
>
>
Probably the oil is too thick (heavy) or he may have just put too much in
and it has got on the clutch plates and making it slip when he tries to kick
it over. Drain it out or remove the cover, dismantle the clutch and wash the
plates in petrol or degreaser and try again. Can't think of any other
problem caused by just putting some oil in.

Martin

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:40:24 GMT, "platypus"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Oily wrote:
>> Probably the oil is too thick (heavy) or he may have just put too
>> much in and it has got on the clutch plates and making it slip when
>> he tries to kick it over. Drain it out or remove the cover, dismantle
>> the clutch and wash the plates in petrol or degreaser and try again.
>> Can't think of any other problem caused by just putting some oil in.
>
>He might have topped it up through the spark plug hole...

Heh. I recall a housemate telling me that the gearbox oil was draining
terribly slowly out of his bike. I turned out that he'd mistaken a
relief valve or a selector indent plunger (I forget which) for the
drain plug.

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-Pip

"platypus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:YctYh.8134$(E-Mail Removed) k...
> Oily wrote:
> > "Julian Cann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) om.au...
> >> An old non-computer literate friend has the above bike and wants to
> >> know the correct oil for the primary chain case.
> >> Some say engine oil....others auto transmission fluid.
> >> He recently topped up the oil and found he could no longer turn the
> >> engine over on the kick start.
> >> Any help gratefully received.
> >>
> >>
> > Probably the oil is too thick (heavy) or he may have just put too
> > much in and it has got on the clutch plates and making it slip when
> > he tries to kick it over. Drain it out or remove the cover, dismantle
> > the clutch and wash the plates in petrol or degreaser and try again.
> > Can't think of any other problem caused by just putting some oil in.
>
> He might have topped it up through the spark plug hole...
>
>
You might be right....... if it was a two smoke with drive side crank oil
seal gone. :-)

Oily

Thus spake Austin Shackles ((E-Mail Removed)) unto the assembled multitudes:

>>He recently topped up the oil and found he could no longer turn the
>>engine over on the kick start.

> when he says "can't turn it over" is this "it feels a bit stiff" or "it's
> locked solid"?

If locked solid, that would suggest hydraulic lock...

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University of Sussex
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"Julian Cann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om.au
> An old non-computer literate friend has the above bike and wants to
> know the correct oil for the primary chain case.
> Some say engine oil....others auto transmission fluid.
> He recently topped up the oil and found he could no longer turn the
> engine over on the kick start.
> Any help gratefully received.

He has probably used something with lots of extra slippery additives. The
clutch may now be slipping because the plates can no longer grip properly.

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Tony
'04 XL1200C, '95 LS650
OMF#24