Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
of just the rack.

Well today I ordered a set of L brackets and a sports rack
(the short one) without having to provide half a tag from
a Ventura bag after Kenma (the Aus distributor) said it
wasn't necessary when buying the sports rack.

Suits me because I want it to put a top box on, which
I already have so I didn't want to buy a bag.

This means that if you want to buy a rack and L brackets
but no bag, you can because the only time they demand a tag
to prove ownership of a bag is when you want to buy L brackets
and the full size rack. Even if you want the full the full size
rack without the bag, you can...

ie.
Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
Buy full size rack separately (if necessary) $65
TOTAL $245

That's still $100 less than the cheapest Ventura rack and bag kit
and you could sell the sports rack if you don't really want it.

Seems that Ventura/Kenma haven't really thought this through very well.

Cheers.

--
Nick
ZX6R

"NickZX6R" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>
> Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
> with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
> of just the rack.
>
> Well today I ordered a set of L brackets and a sports rack
> (the short one) without having to provide half a tag from
> a Ventura bag after Kenma (the Aus distributor) said it
> wasn't necessary when buying the sports rack.
>
> Suits me because I want it to put a top box on, which
> I already have so I didn't want to buy a bag.
>
> This means that if you want to buy a rack and L brackets
> but no bag, you can because the only time they demand a tag
> to prove ownership of a bag is when you want to buy L brackets
> and the full size rack. Even if you want the full the full size
> rack without the bag, you can...
>
> ie.
> Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
> Buy full size rack separately (if necessary) $65
> TOTAL $245
>
> That's still $100 less than the cheapest Ventura rack and bag kit
> and you could sell the sports rack if you don't really want it.
>
> Seems that Ventura/Kenma haven't really thought this through very well.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Nick
> ZX6R
>

Hmm thats strange, never heard of Ventura doing that.
Here in N Zud I got a ventura rack without a bag... all accessoies sold
seperatley.
Sure its not just a ploy by the shop selling the rack??

CBR250rr ==> TL1000R ( i know i know ive heard it all before)

Nice of you to spell it out for them!

--
Conehead
"Your credibilty along with all the other people arguing in this thread has
been totally distroyed... I am copying this thread and will send it... but
I'll send it not to the parents, but to a couple of magazines I know..."
kiwipete in a hissy-fit

"NickZX6R" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bkp75j$ec0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
> with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
> of just the rack.
>
> Well today I ordered a set of L brackets and a sports rack
> (the short one) without having to provide half a tag from
> a Ventura bag after Kenma (the Aus distributor) said it
> wasn't necessary when buying the sports rack.
>
> Suits me because I want it to put a top box on, which
> I already have so I didn't want to buy a bag.
>
> This means that if you want to buy a rack and L brackets
> but no bag, you can because the only time they demand a tag
> to prove ownership of a bag is when you want to buy L brackets
> and the full size rack. Even if you want the full the full size
> rack without the bag, you can...
>
> ie.
> Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
> Buy full size rack separately (if necessary) $65
> TOTAL $245
>
> That's still $100 less than the cheapest Ventura rack and bag kit
> and you could sell the sports rack if you don't really want it.
>
> Seems that Ventura/Kenma haven't really thought this through very well.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Nick
> ZX6R
>

NickZX6R wrote:

> Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
> with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
> of just the rack.

Since when has this been the case?

I've bought 2 ventura racks, in 2001 and 2002, and never been forced
into buying a bag for it...I just ordered the rack and walked away with
it. (after paying for it, of course).

Yes, it is stupid.
What they have also done is to reduce the price of the bags, and inrease the
price of the racks.
Sucks bigtime.


"NickZX6R" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bkp75j$ec0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
> with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
> of just the rack.
>
> Well today I ordered a set of L brackets and a sports rack
> (the short one) without having to provide half a tag from
> a Ventura bag after Kenma (the Aus distributor) said it
> wasn't necessary when buying the sports rack.
>
> Suits me because I want it to put a top box on, which
> I already have so I didn't want to buy a bag.
>
> This means that if you want to buy a rack and L brackets
> but no bag, you can because the only time they demand a tag
> to prove ownership of a bag is when you want to buy L brackets
> and the full size rack. Even if you want the full the full size
> rack without the bag, you can...
>
> ie.
> Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
> Buy full size rack separately (if necessary) $65
> TOTAL $245
>
> That's still $100 less than the cheapest Ventura rack and bag kit
> and you could sell the sports rack if you don't really want it.
>
> Seems that Ventura/Kenma haven't really thought this through very well.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Nick
> ZX6R
>

It came in this year or late last year but there is definitely a policy
change at ventura.

Boyd Wilding wrote:
>
> NickZX6R wrote:
>
> > Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
> > with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
> > of just the rack.
>
> Since when has this been the case?
>
> I've bought 2 ventura racks, in 2001 and 2002, and never been forced
> into buying a bag for it...I just ordered the rack and walked away with
> it. (after paying for it, of course).

--
Look beyond the window, don't just focus on your own reflection.
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for all spam.

They have thought it through.
You cannot buy the Full Size rack (pack frame) without a bag OR a piece cut
off the label to prove you already have a Ventura bag.
Not in your case but before everyone tries this you might end up paying for
a sports rack that you did not want.

Greg

"NickZX6R" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bkp75j$ec0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
> with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
> of just the rack.
>
> Well today I ordered a set of L brackets and a sports rack
> (the short one) without having to provide half a tag from
> a Ventura bag after Kenma (the Aus distributor) said it
> wasn't necessary when buying the sports rack.
>
> Suits me because I want it to put a top box on, which
> I already have so I didn't want to buy a bag.
>
> This means that if you want to buy a rack and L brackets
> but no bag, you can because the only time they demand a tag
> to prove ownership of a bag is when you want to buy L brackets
> and the full size rack. Even if you want the full the full size
> rack without the bag, you can...
>
> ie.
> Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
> Buy full size rack separately (if necessary) $65
> TOTAL $245
>
> That's still $100 less than the cheapest Ventura rack and bag kit
> and you could sell the sports rack if you don't really want it.
>
> Seems that Ventura/Kenma haven't really thought this through very well.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Nick
> ZX6R
>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:25:45 +1000, Biggus
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>>Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
>Obscene price for what they are, theres about $5 in material

Well you should make a killing when you make and sell similar racks
for only $100...that'll be a whole $95 profit per rack.

go on....

i'm sure its as easy as you say..

paulh

nar its actually pretty cheep when you break it down $5 material product,
$25 marketing fee, $25 factory profit, $25 shop profit, $10 transport and
$115 in tax/insurance

I believe it was brought in because some instances when you say strap some
Asian bag that holds a dozen elephants made for a 50cc scooter and when that
rack breaks in half, generally rack co gets sued, so to beat there insurance
it was a case of you want to use our racks, you use our bags..

ah well, im sure a bloke with a welder can make up a rack.. prolly be
stronger too

cheers
MadBiker - see im nuts



"paulh" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:25:45 +1000, Biggus
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >
> >>Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
> >Obscene price for what they are, theres about $5 in material
>
> Well you should make a killing when you make and sell similar racks
> for only $100...that'll be a whole $95 profit per rack.
>
> go on....
>
> i'm sure its as easy as you say..
>
> paulh

"James Mayfield" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> They do it because they don't want you complaining to them (or suing them)
> that their rack can't handle the weight of your bad. A venture rack won't
> handle a nice, full, gearsack bag. (I learnt that one the hard way!) It
will
> go ok for a while, but start hitting some pretty bumpy dirt roads and it
all
> comes unstuck a bit. It's just a pity the gearsack racks are so goddamn
> ugly!

That is exactly their point, I use a Ventura system on the R1100S and only
pack the bag with lightweight items, sleeping bag, etc, packing the heavier
items in the tankbag and panniers. I try to keep the load as evenly balanced
as possible.

Boxer