> "NickZX6R" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bkp75j$ec0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>
>> Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation
>> with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead
>> of just the rack.
>>
>> Well today I ordered a set of L brackets and a sports rack
>> (the short one) without having to provide half a tag from
>> a Ventura bag after Kenma (the Aus distributor) said it
>> wasn't necessary when buying the sports rack.
>>
>> Suits me because I want it to put a top box on, which
>> I already have so I didn't want to buy a bag.
>>
>> This means that if you want to buy a rack and L brackets
>> but no bag, you can because the only time they demand a tag
>> to prove ownership of a bag is when you want to buy L brackets
>> and the full size rack. Even if you want the full the full size
>> rack without the bag, you can...
>>
>> ie.
>> Buy L brackets & sports rack $180
>> Buy full size rack separately (if necessary) $65
>> TOTAL $245
>>
>> That's still $100 less than the cheapest Ventura rack and bag kit
>> and you could sell the sports rack if you don't really want it.
>>
>> Seems that Ventura/Kenma haven't really thought this through very well.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> --
>> Nick
>> ZX6R
>>

> They have thought it through.
> You cannot buy the Full Size rack (pack frame) without a bag OR a piece cut
> off the label to prove you already have a Ventura bag.
> Not in your case but before everyone tries this you might end up paying for
> a sports rack that you did not want.
>
> Greg

I disagree, for 2 reasons. Even if you own a bag and want to buy a rack,
you can only do it twice before you run out of tags and you're screwed.

Secondly, if you want the full rack but no bag, you can stillbuy the sports
rack first, then the full rack and even though you end up with an unwanted
sports rack (which can be sold), you're still at least $100 better off.

--
Nick
ZX6R

in article (E-Mail Removed), James Mayfield at
(E-Mail Removed)amplease wrote on 24/9/03 11:06 AM:

> Strengthened how? I've already broken one, and would like to strengthen the
> current one before it goes the same way.

Ummm, not entirely sure because it was done by the previous owner who is a
boilermaker by trade. Visually it's still the same but apparently he put
solid bar inside the tubing around where the rack and vertical back meet.
I'm not sure how far up it goes, actually he's probably put solid rod into
the bottom rack where it goes vertical and then slid the vertical part over
the solid bar and welded. There probably isn't any bracing in the bottom
part of the rack

You can't take the vertical part off any more.

Stuart

Never had a problem with the Venturas, any of them over the last hmmmm, 15
years?
Had them for 4 years on 2 Pegasos, packed and stacked with camping gear for
1-3 weeks each, dirt roads, no worries.
Then again, I usually run 2 bags back-to-back then, off-setting the weight a
bit, I guess...
cheers
pete



"James Mayfield" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> They do it because they don't want you complaining to them (or suing them)
> that their rack can't handle the weight of your bad. A venture rack won't
> handle a nice, full, gearsack bag. (I learnt that one the hard way!) It
will
> go ok for a while, but start hitting some pretty bumpy dirt roads and it
all
> comes unstuck a bit. It's just a pity the gearsack racks are so goddamn
> ugly!
>
SNIP