I've just properly read Part 18, section 299 of the 2009 Australian
Road Rules, and the bit about visual displays not allowable.

There is an exception in place for "driver's aids", of which navigation
is one example.

The 2008 road rules (of which NSW currently follows) says (in part):

(2) This rule does not apply to the driver if:
(b) the visual display unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid, or


Fine, now the 2009 ARR says (again in part):

(2) This rule does not apply to the driver if:
(b) the vehicle is not a motor bike and the visual display
unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid and either –


It's the motor bike bike I'm interested in. This implies that the 2009
exception does NOT apply if the vehicle is a motor bike. That is, no
motor bikes are allowed SatNav devices at all, if (or when) NSW starts
following the 2009 revision.



Again, I know this does NOT CURRENTLY apply, I'm just concerned they
may sneak this one in if (or when) they do apply it.

On Feb 19, 6:29*pm, John Tserkezis
<j...@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote:
> *I've just properly read Part 18, section 299 of the 2009 Australian
> Road Rules, and the bit about visual displays not allowable.
>
> *There is an exception in place for "driver's aids", of which navigation
> is one example.
>
> *The 2008 road rules (of which NSW currently follows) says (in part):
>
> (2) *This rule does not apply to the driver if:
> (b) *the visual display unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid, or
>
> Fine, now the 2009 ARR says (again in part):
>
> (2) This rule does not apply to the driver if:
> (b) the vehicle is not a motor bike and the visual display
> unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid and either –
>
> *It's the motor bike bike I'm interested in. *This implies that the 2009
> exception does NOT apply if the vehicle is a motor bike. *That is, no
> motor bikes are allowed SatNav devices at all, if (or when) NSW starts
> following the 2009 revision.
>
> *Again, I know this does NOT CURRENTLY apply, I'm just concerned they
> may sneak this one in if (or when) they do apply it.


I could be wrong but if the rules are the same as the Vicroads, which
I believe they are now cos every state is suppose to be standardised

the Exemption is about

The rule relating to "securing" visual display units does not apply to
motorcycles.

The visual display unit just doesn't have to be an integrated part of
the vehicle design, or secured in a commercially designed holder,
which is fixed to the vehicle as it does for cars

i.e a gps can sit in the clear part of your tank bag on a motorcycle,
but on a car it cant sit in your centre console


in other words...its a little win for us

mh

On Feb 19, 6:29*pm, John Tserkezis
<j...@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote:
> *I've just properly read Part 18, section 299 of the 2009 Australian
> Road Rules, and the bit about visual displays not allowable.
>
> *There is an exception in place for "driver's aids", of which navigation
> is one example.
>
> *The 2008 road rules (of which NSW currently follows) says (in part):
>
> (2) *This rule does not apply to the driver if:
> (b) *the visual display unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid, or
>
> Fine, now the 2009 ARR says (again in part):
>
> (2) This rule does not apply to the driver if:
> (b) the vehicle is not a motor bike and the visual display
> unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid and either –
>
> *It's the motor bike bike I'm interested in. *This implies that the 2009
> exception does NOT apply if the vehicle is a motor bike. *That is, no
> motor bikes are allowed SatNav devices at all, if (or when) NSW starts
> following the 2009 revision.
>
> *Again, I know this does NOT CURRENTLY apply, I'm just concerned they
> may sneak this one in if (or when) they do apply it.

also, it might be wise to post a link to the whole rule

here is the pricktoads one
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...PhonesVDUs.pdf

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:28:24 +1100, Nev.. wrote:

> John Tserkezis wrote:
>> I've just properly read Part 18, section 299 of the 2009 Australian
>> Road Rules, and the bit about visual displays not allowable.
>>
>> There is an exception in place for "driver's aids", of which
>> navigation
>> is one example.
>>
>> The 2008 road rules (of which NSW currently follows) says (in part):
>>
>> (2) This rule does not apply to the driver if: (b) the visual display
>> unit is, or is part of, a driver’s aid, or
>>
>>
>> Fine, now the 2009 ARR says (again in part):
>>
>> (2) This rule does not apply to the driver if: (b) the vehicle is not a
>> motor bike and the visual display unit is, or is part of, a driver’s
>> aid and either –
>>
>>
>> It's the motor bike bike I'm interested in. This implies that the
>> 2009
>> exception does NOT apply if the vehicle is a motor bike. That is, no
>> motor bikes are allowed SatNav devices at all, if (or when) NSW starts
>> following the 2009 revision.
>
> Without posting more of (or the whole section) of the rules it's hard to
> tell in what context they're using it.. but I think you've got it wrong.
> They are not excluding satnavs for motorcycles, they're excluding
> motorcyclists from a restriction which is intended to be imposed on
> displays intended for other drivers only, not motorcyclists.
>
> Nev..
> '08 DL1000K8


Correct. Satnav for bikes is excluded from the restriction. However, the
rest of the regulation is objectionable. My mobile phone provides a (not
very good) GPS function and comes with a doover to suck-stick it to the
windscreen, but I don't think that makes it a driver's aid.

--
Regards

Andrew

On 19/02/2010 8:09 PM, Marty H wrote:

> also, it might be wise to post a link to the whole rule

> here is the pricktoads one
> http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...PhonesVDUs.pdf

Ah, that's a lot clearer now. The wording could have been taken in a
couple of different ways.

The documents I used where:

Australian Road rules 2009:
<http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/ARR_February_2009_final.pdf>

Australian Road rules 2008:
<http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/>

Part 18, Section 299 "Television receivers and visual display units in
motor vehicles" is the part of interest.


Both are very similar, with the 2009 revision stating the Motor bike
exception, the driver's aid must either be a factory install or fastened
to the vehicle with a commercially available holder designed for the
purpose, and a more clear exception to allow for displays in Police and
emergency vehicles.
The vicroads addition you linked to, pretty much paraphrases that.



My confusion stems from the boolean logic wording they used.
299(2)(b) says, if NOT a motorbike AND display is an aid, then the
exception applies.
Since we're talking about bikes, 299(2)(b) cannot apply, so there is no
exception for that condition (bikes).