First Johnny Rock Page gets suspended for being a roadblock,
supposedly:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/e/n090718f.htm

then Page's videographer (yes he has one and it sounds like
Page had a mic on) gets this:
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37409

then Ludington gets suspended:
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37432

You can't make this **** up


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

sturd <(E-Mail Removed)> Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:36:00
>then Ludington gets suspended:
>http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37432
>

I'm trying to delve back in my memory to watching Speed and an advert
that appeared over and over again during MotoGP races. It was something
like MMI or some course to learn to be a mechanic and featured
Luddington saying how doing the course got him the top mechanics job at
Honda. So the answer to all this is clear. Al should go and work in the
personal watercraft industry.

>You can't make this **** up

Indeed. It's really quite fun watching it from the outside as DMG stick
their foot in their mouth and then various newspapers grab the foot and
shove it somewhere else. Over and over again.

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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:36:00 -0700 (PDT), sturd
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>First Johnny Rock Page gets suspended for being a roadblock,
>supposedly:
>http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/e/n090718f.htm
>
>then Page's videographer (yes he has one and it sounds like
>Page had a mic on) gets this:
>http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37409
>
>then Ludington gets suspended:
>http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37432
>
>You can't make this **** up

Wow. I just watched the video and I can't believe how Luddington was
behaving. Regardless if whether JRP was in the right or in the wrong
on-track, an AMA official should never tee off like that. Telling the
rider that "he's not it" is damaging to the whole sack-o-**** that DMG
has been pushing for the past year about how the privateers need to be
elevated to equal status and equal access to make the show better.

I must say I've lost all respect for Luddington at this point.
Fortunately for DMG I didn't have any more to lose for them. However,
if they want to gain any back they'd fire Al.

On Jul 23, 7:36*am, sturd <mikesturdevant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> First Johnny Rock Page gets suspended for being a roadblock,
> supposedly:http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/e/n090718f.htm
>
> then Page's videographer (yes he has one and it sounds like
> Page had a mic on) gets this:http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37409
>
> then Ludington gets suspended:http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37432
>
> You can't make this **** up
>
> Go fast. Take chances.
> Mike S.

Holy effin' crap. Whatever wish I had to start watching AMA again now
that they've gone semi-same day coverage just vanished. Not to
mention that I'm completely canning any plans to attend Heartland Park
this weekend (I'm 40 miles away). What a complete joke. I'm done
with the AMA like I was done with the IRL when Tony George imploded
North American open wheeled racing. Haven't watched it since and I'm
finished with the AMA until someone else takes over.

-Dirt-

I pointed to:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/e/n090718f.htm
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37409
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37432

But want to point out that
1. Johnny R-P is right about what the rulebook says
2. The rule book is crap. The rule should mimic what you

>
> You can't make this **** up
>
> Go fast. Take chances.
> Mike S.

On Jul 24, 9:49 am, sturd <mikesturdevant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I pointed to:
>
> http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...?article=37432
>
> But want to point out that
> 1. Johnny R-P is right about what the rulebook says
> 2. The rule book is crap. The rule should mimic what you


How'd that happen? Hit wrong key. Back to 2
2. The rule book is crap. The rule should mimic what you see
in MotoGP (usually) though I'm not sure what their rule really is.
When a blue flag is shown, rider being overtaken gets off the
line and slows. If racing with another lapper, they shouldn't be
allowed to pass any further in this race. I think they should
just trundle back to the pits, race over.

3. Luddington's rant about the show reveals that he has
not talked to Edmondson about privateer status. Maybe.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

sturd wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:49 am, sturd <mikesturdevant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I pointed to:
>>
>> http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...?article=37432
>>
>> But want to point out that
>> 1. Johnny R-P is right about what the rulebook says
>> 2. The rule book is crap. The rule should mimic what you
>
>
> How'd that happen? Hit wrong key. Back to 2
> 2. The rule book is crap. The rule should mimic what you see
> in MotoGP (usually) though I'm not sure what their rule really is.
> When a blue flag is shown, rider being overtaken gets off the
> line and slows. If racing with another lapper, they shouldn't be
> allowed to pass any further in this race. I think they should
> just trundle back to the pits, race over.
>

yep, I think the "hold the line" is if you are in a particular corner
not to do something erratic in case someone is coming under or over you
(or both in some cases) which makes sense. Extending that to maintaining
the racing line across 5-6 corners in a row is what the issue was and
JRP should have know better - all the other racers did.

> 3. Luddington's rant about the show reveals that he has
> not talked to Edmondson about privateer status. Maybe.
>
Bruce

On Jul 24, 10:34*am, Bruce <Bruce_do_not_...@example.com> wrote:
> sturd wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 9:49 am, sturd <mikesturdevant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I pointed to:
>
> >>http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...ttp://www.road....
>
> >> But want to point out that
> >> 1. Johnny R-P is right about what the rulebook says
> >> 2. *The rule book is crap. *The rule should mimic what you
>
> > How'd that happen? *Hit wrong key. *Back to 2
> > 2. *The rule book is crap. *The rule should mimic what you see
> > in MotoGP (usually) though I'm not sure what their rule really is.
> > When a blue flag is shown, rider being overtaken gets off the
> > line and slows. *If racing with another lapper, they shouldn't be
> > allowed to pass any further in this race. *I *think they should
> > just trundle back to the pits, race over.
>
> yep, I think the "hold the line" is if you are in a particular corner
> not to do something erratic in case someone is coming under or over you
> (or both in some cases) which makes sense. Extending that to maintaining
> the racing line across 5-6 corners in a row is what the issue was and
> JRP should have know better - all the other racers did.

The rule book makes perfect sense. The interpertation being applied
by Luddington and others is what is screwed up. With no mirrors you
don't know when or how you are going to be overtaken. Start looking
around and your line will become erratic and may cause a problem.
Move over for the rider you see on the right and you could be cutting
someone off on the left. Move off your normal line without looking
back and you could force an overtaking rider off the track. What the
rule book is saying is just keep doing what you normally do so the
overtaking rider can predict where you will be when he passes you.
When lapping traffic the overtaking rider can judge where he will
overtake the slower rider and plan a line that gets him by with little
or no loss of time. There are very few places where you can't pass
someone that is so slow that you are lapping them. Learning how to
handle traffic used to be considered part of racing.

> > 3. *Luddington's rant about the show reveals that he has
> > not talked to Edmondson about privateer status. *Maybe.
>
> Bruce- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Just been reading,
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37510

--
And when we consulted with the manufacturers who have been paying the
bills and making up the support for this sport, and that has primarily
been the four Japanese manufacturers, they did not want World Superbike
rules and made it clear.
--

I assume what he means is the SBK teams rather than the Japanese
manufacturers. And even then I find it surprising. In fact, I have a
hard time believing it. Much, much more likely is that the manufacturers
said, just leave the rules untouched for 2009 so we can go racing with
what we have. And he's just spinning the story.

--
RW: And that leads us to the homologation of the Buell 1125RR. Did Erik
Buell originally request to homologate just a kit of parts to make the
1125R more competitive in American Superbike?

RE: Yes, he did. He sent a list of parts he thought were necessary to
get that bike up to speed, and frankly it was a list I couldn’t allow
our guys to approve. Then the question came up was there anyway we can
take this motorcycle, which we’re currently offering to the public,
and make it competitive. And I said, ‘Yes, if you want to put together
a race kit and you install it and you’ll support it in terms of
selling those same pieces to anybody who wants to buy one and if
you’ll race it, yes, we’ll take a look at homologating a complete
motorcycle.’
--

So Buell wants to homologate parts that would have broken the rule book.
The AMA rightly throw them out. But put the same parts on a "production"
racer and suddenly they become legal. Except now he's calling it a
pre-installed "race kit". Well either those parts are legal or they're
not. It shouldn't make any difference whether they are supplied as
parts, as a race kit or as a ready to race package. Makes you wonder how
many of these RRs Buell has to produce. And now apparently we're back to
homologation specials. If American Honda commissioned Ten Kate to
produce 20 replicas of their WSB bike, it would apparently be legal in
the AMA. Or at least if it wasn't, the AMA would be shown to have double
standards. Oh... wait...

Does anyone believe or trust anything this guy says any more?

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On Jul 31, 3:34*am, Julian Bond <julian_b...@voidstar.com> wrote:
> Just been reading,http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=37510
>
> --
> And when we consulted with the manufacturers who have been paying the
> bills and making up the support for this sport, and that has primarily
> been the four Japanese manufacturers, they did not want World Superbike
> rules and made it clear.
> --
>
> I assume what he means is the SBK teams rather than the Japanese
> manufacturers. And even then I find it surprising. In fact, I have a
> hard time believing it. Much, much more likely is that the manufacturers
> said, just leave the rules untouched for 2009 so we can go racing with
> what we have. And he's just spinning the story.
>
> --
> RW: And that leads us to the homologation of the Buell 1125RR. Did Erik
> Buell originally request to homologate just a kit of parts to make the
> 1125R more competitive in American Superbike?
>
> RE: Yes, he did. He sent a list of parts he thought were necessary to
> get that bike up to speed, and frankly it was a list I couldn’t allow
> our guys to approve. Then the question came up was there anyway we can
> take this motorcycle, which we’re currently offering to the public,
> and make it competitive. And I said, ‘Yes, if you want to put together
> a race kit and you install it and you’ll support it in terms of
> selling those same pieces to anybody who wants to buy one and if
> you’ll race it, yes, we’ll take a look at homologating a complete
> motorcycle.’
> --
>
> So Buell wants to homologate parts that would have broken the rule book.
> The AMA rightly throw them out. But put the same parts on a "production"
> racer and suddenly they become legal. Except now he's calling it a
> pre-installed "race kit". Well either those parts are legal or they're
> not. It shouldn't make any difference whether they are supplied as
> parts, as a race kit or as a ready to race package. Makes you wonder how
> many of these RRs Buell has to produce. And now apparently we're back to
> homologation specials. If American Honda commissioned Ten Kate to
> produce 20 replicas of their WSB bike, it would apparently be legal in
> the AMA. Or at least if it wasn't, the AMA would be shown to have double
> standards. Oh... wait...
>
> Does anyone believe or trust anything this guy says any more?

From the same link, in reguards to other manufactures doing the same
thing, "We’re going to have to look at what its capability is and if
we err and we give them too much we can also take away."

Isn't that wonderful? They might let you do something, but if it
works too well they take it away. And you just dumped a bunch of time
and money into developing something you wont be allowed to use.

Bruce