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      04-29-2005, 02:56 AM
99 750 starts fine when it's cold and runs fine all the time, but if it
gets to operating temp. and I stop it, even just to get gas, it will
not start and sounds like the battery is dead or dying. I can push
start it though and it runs fine. If I let it cool considerably it will
start fine. The battery is new, I just had the starter checked out, and
the reg/rectifier seems to be charging. This is infuriating. I don't
even want to ride it because I have to push start the thing everywhere
I go.

An older post suggested it might be pre-ignition. How can I tell if
this is the porblem and/or how do I fix it?

Also, my fan is disconnected. Where do I hook this thing back up?

 
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      04-29-2005, 04:27 AM

lunatic wrote:
> 99 750 starts fine when it's cold and runs fine all the time, but if

it
> gets to operating temp. and I stop it, even just to get gas, it will
> not start and sounds like the battery is dead or dying. I can push
> start it though and it runs fine. If I let it cool considerably it

will
> start fine. The battery is new, I just had the starter checked out,

and
> the reg/rectifier seems to be charging. This is infuriating. I don't
> even want to ride it because I have to push start the thing

everywhere
> I go.
>
> An older post suggested it might be pre-ignition. How can I tell if
> this is the porblem and/or how do I fix it?


Well, you could look up the idle RPM timing specs and the full advanced
spec and you'd probably find they were something like 10 degrees and 32
degrees. Then you could put a timing light on the engine and run it to
see if the ignition advances---if you can find anything that looks like
a timing wheel under one of the covers...

I was looking at the parts diagram on partsfish.com and I don't see
anything like an four-toothed ignition rotor at all. Maybe the signal
generator pickup is attached to the crankcase, like on a Yamaha, and
gets its timing signal from the crankshaft itself? I dunno for sure...

> Also, my fan is disconnected. Where do I hook this thing back up?


Well, look at the wire coming from the fan motor and stretch it as far
as it will go. The plug on the wiring harness can't be very far away,
can it?

Your owner's manual should have a wiring diagram in it. Look at the
color code chart and figure out what color wires should be in the
connector from the wiring harness. Those wire colors may not be the
same as the colors of the wires on the fan motor, but the plug will
only hook up one way...

Your unplugged fan may be your real problem. Modern water-cooled
engines don't have very much water in the system. About all they really
do is
*stabilize* the engine temperature, keeping it *somewhere* between 180
and 250 degrees F...

If the water is getting that hot in your engine, the pre-ignition
that's dragging your starter down may not be from the spark plug at
all. The pre-ignition may be from a little bit of red hot glowing
carbon inside the combustion chamber. Or it might be that the gasoline
is actually dieseling, igniting from the heat because the cylinder head
is getting so hot. Some early model Kawasaki Ninjas were said to
actually reach 275 degrees F water temperature...

I had a Yamaha 250cc 2-stroke diesel on me once. Shutting off the
ignition didn't stop the motor, shutting off the fuel didn't stop it,
it didn't quit until the float bowls ran out of gas...

When you shut your Suzuki engine off when it's hot, does it try to keep
running for a turn or two, or is it a fuel injected model? One thing
about FI models is that the ECU shuts off all the gas when you turn the
key off, unlike carbureted gasoline engines that keep on sucking
gasoline from the float bowl and keep right on dieseling when they are
hot...

 
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      04-29-2005, 11:33 PM
Would the timing/ignition advancing make it sound like the battery was
dying?

And the fan doesn't have a plug on it. It looks like the wires were cut
for some reason. The two coming off of the fan are only 2 or 3 inches
long.

 
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krusty kritter
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      04-30-2005, 01:30 AM

lunatic wrote:
> Would the timing/ignition advancing make it sound like the battery

was
> dying?


Yes, it would make the starter have to struggle. But so would
preignition caused by overheating. If I was you, I'd work on getting
that fan running...

> And the fan doesn't have a plug on it. It looks like the wires were

cut
> for some reason. The two coming off of the fan are only 2 or 3 inches
> long.


So, check around underneath the fairing in that area, on top of the
radiator, and around the thermoswitch that's probably in the side of
the radiator until you find the wires harness that's supposed to go to
the fan. Your engine really needs that fan to keep the water
temperature around 200 degrees...

 
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