www.drive.com.au

"The son of the founder of Honda Motor Corporation and an aide have been
arrested in Tokyo on suspicion of evading corporate taxes at Mugen Co, a
maker of race car engines and auto parts with close ties to the automaker.
Hirotoshi Honda, 61, the president of Mugen and Soichiro Honda's son,
together with Norio Hirokawa, 60, Mugen's former auditor, were arrested on
July 1"

Crooks the lot of them,should really be arrested for STEALING others ideas
and designs...

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:06:04 +1000, Dott.Ing.HatzOlah® wrote:

> www.drive.com.au
>
> "The son of the founder of Honda Motor Corporation and an aide have been
> arrested in Tokyo on suspicion of evading corporate taxes at Mugen Co, a
> maker of race car engines and auto parts with close ties to the automaker.
> Hirotoshi Honda, 61, the president of Mugen and Soichiro Honda's son,
> together with Norio Hirokawa, 60, Mugen's former auditor, were arrested on
> July 1"
>
> Crooks the lot of them,should really be arrested for STEALING others ideas
> and designs...

Classic cock-up.
They evidently forgot to use some of the proceeds of their scam to avoid
being sprung for the scam?


--
Toby

quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

Neil Gerace wrote:
>

> Honda invented the CVT huh? Ever heard of DAF?

I remember the DAF/Volvo car was marketed and sold in Oz was the
Daf/Volvo 360 GLT and I think it was powered by a Renault power plant
and also had a trans-axle set up to. My memory of it is a tad on the
blurry side.

--
Regards
Dan.
00 VX SS 273 Rwkw of unforced mumbo.
All throttle no bottle.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Nice one :-)

MrBonk
www.mrbonk.com

"CatharticF1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ...
>
> Yeah - they should look into the revolutionary 'leaf springs' and
> pushrod engines of recent Australian cars.
>
> LOL
>
>
> --
> CatharticF1
>
> "Memory is a stranger,
> History is for fools"

>> Honda invented the CVT huh? Ever heard of DAF?
>
>I remember the DAF/Volvo car was marketed and sold in Oz was the
>Daf/Volvo 360 GLT and I think it was powered by a Renault power plant
>and also had a trans-axle set up to. My memory of it is a tad on the
>blurry side.

You are almost correct, except that the 360GLT had a genuine Volvo
B-series engine, 1.9ltr in early cars and 2.0 in later cars. In Europe
only they were were available with 1.4 and 1.7ltr engines also, which
were in fact Renault engines. Australia only got volvo engined cars
though. They did have a rear mounted transaxle setup with a torque
tube setup similar to Porsches of that era. DAF had to use a rear
mounted transaxle setup as the CVT transmission mounted up the front
would have made the transamission tunnel far to wide for a passenger
car. Thats what happens when you get Swedish and Dutch engineers
together in the same room...:-)

There are a few CVT 300-series cars in Australia, but most had the
normal rear mounted 5-speed gearbox.

Regards,

Sasha


>
>--
>Regards
>Dan.
>00 VX SS 273 Rwkw of unforced mumbo.
>All throttle no bottle.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:44:27 +1000, "Alastair George"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Stealing other peoples ideas???? What like VTEC, ATT, hybrid technology and
>CVT? You ignorant person - I'll bet you drive a Falcadore? Honda have lead
>the way with ideas and they always will!

I don't know what ATT or hybrid technology are, but Honda certainly
did not invent VTEC or the CVT. The CVT was first developed by a Dutch
company called DAF in the 60's, and the first mass produced car with
VVT was Alfa Romeo in the 80's, though it was probably developed well
before then. Japanese companies generally are not strong at coming up
with idea's; they leave that to Europeans and Americans, and then
excell at the mass production process.

Sasha

"Dott.Ing.HatzOlah®" <(E-Mail Removed)®> wrote in message
news:beiaaj$7hi$(E-Mail Removed)...
> www.drive.com.au
>
> "The son of the founder of Honda Motor Corporation and an aide have been
> arrested in Tokyo on suspicion of evading corporate taxes at Mugen Co, a
> maker of race car engines and auto parts with close ties to the automaker.
> Hirotoshi Honda, 61, the president of Mugen and Soichiro Honda's son,
> together with Norio Hirokawa, 60, Mugen's former auditor, were arrested on
> July 1"

Which at least proves they work to make enough money to make tax avoidance
worthwile. What have you been doing latelt Hatz? Burnouts on the nifty 50?
--
Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
www.wn.com.au/mckenzie

"CatharticF1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In article <beiaaj$7hi$(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)® says...
> > www.drive.com.au
> >
> > "The son of the founder of Honda Motor Corporation and an aide have been
> > arrested in Tokyo on suspicion of evading corporate taxes at Mugen Co, a
> > maker of race car engines and auto parts with close ties to the
automaker.
> > Hirotoshi Honda, 61, the president of Mugen and Soichiro Honda's son,
> > together with Norio Hirokawa, 60, Mugen's former auditor, were arrested
on
> > July 1"
> >
> > Crooks the lot of them,should really be arrested for STEALING others
ideas
> > and designs...
>
> Yeah - they should look into the revolutionary 'leaf springs' and
> pushrod engines of recent Australian cars.

I hate when people talk through their arse,NOTHING wrong with leaf springs
just ask Commodore who have returned to l/springs on the new 1-Tonner,also
look under any truck 99% leaf springs,horse for courses really,IRS whould be
**** for this application and look at all the problems Commodore has had
with wearing tyres with IRS...Yeap bragging rights

As for push-rods,simple,easy,reliable,cheap what more do you want.Enjoy
shimming your valves every 10,000km and changing rubber cam belts every
60,000km

U like Motorsports , the Indy 500 was won with push rods not that long ago

CDIHL







tranger,
> History is for fools"
>
>

"Dott.Ing.HatzOlah®" wrote
> I hate when people talk through their arse,

*chuckle*

--
TB
'99 GSXR600
'88 CBR250R

"Dott.Ing.HatzOlah®" <(E-Mail Removed)®> wrote in message

> As for push-rods,simple,easy,reliable,cheap what more do you want.Enjoy
> shimming your valves every 10,000km and changing rubber cam belts every
> 60,000km
>
> U like Motorsports , the Indy 500 was won with push rods not that long ago

The world's fastest motorcycle has pushrod engines.

Doug Cox.
Work to ride, Ride to work...