"Lozzo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:(E-Mail Removed):


> I was buying Drum hand rolling baccy in the early to mid 80s at a
> normal shop in a Bedfordshire village.
>

it was on sale in Colchester in 1981/2 when I was allegedly a student at
Wivenhoe Park

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On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:18:10 +0000, steve auvache <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in <(E-Mail Removed)>:

> I wouldn't have a clue about averages but one of the consistent whinges
> common to the gummint back benches and opposition parties is the sheer
> amount of legislation going trough.
^^^^^^ Nice typo, steve!

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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Lozzo <(E-Mail Removed)>
writes
>Mick Whittingham wrote:
>
>> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Champ
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> writes >On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:55:48 +0000, Ben
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:19:08 +0000, Mick Whittingham
>> >><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Talking to a regular in my old pub at the turn of the
>> > > > millennium, a high up in what was called Customs and Excise. He
>> > > > reckoned the most popular rolling tobacco in England was Drum.
>> >
>> > > > Which at that time was not for sale in the UK.
>> >
>> > > Well, I sold it in the petrol station I worked in in 1997.
>> >
>> > It's Mick.
>>
>> Hello Champ.
>>
>> I stand corrected it must have been early 90's the guy I spoke to
>> went to work abroad mid 90's.
>>
>> Ben's right. It went on sale in England soon after it was talking to
>> the guy, must have been in the 90s.
>
>I was buying Drum hand rolling baccy in the early to mid 80s at a
>normal shop in a Bedfordshire village.
>

OK I stand corrected or I miss understood what he said or when.
More likely miss under stood what he said.
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sweller wrote:
> SteveH wrote:
>
> > > You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller
> > > quote
> >
> > Is it irrelevant, though?
>
> Utterly, utterly - and it devalues it.

I find it hugely valuable. As a litmus test for idiots.

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SteveH wrote:

> > You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller
> > quote
>
> Is it irrelevant, though?

Utterly, utterly - and it devalues it.


> We are seeing one law after another brought in or amended, all of which
> seem to be aimed at dividing and grinding down the population.

Christ, you sound like a fifteen year old student.

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Salad Dodger wrote:

> > You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller
> > quote - As an aside the railway has been "zero" since 1992, do you
> > think train drivers are being persecuted?
>
> Last time I checked, train driving was a voluntary activity.

Unfortunately, earning a living isn't.

Are you attempting to qualify for Team GB's Special Olympic squad?

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'Hog wrote:

> > You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller
> > quote - As an aside the railway has been "zero" since 1992, do you
> > think train drivers are being persecuted?
>
> I doubt it can be absolute zero? or there wouldn't be many train
> drivers left. Or pilots. I assume the testing allows for a few ml
> variation or somesuch.

It's 29mg - which allows for naturally produced alcohol. I have
represented a large number of D&A cases and TBH, you have eat a **** load
of Mothers Pride to fail the alcohol test.


> Do they also drug test train drivers and is there any sort of random
> testing.

Yes and also what is known as "for cause" testing. If there's an
incident, no matter how minor, the particpants will be D&A tested.

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On 16 Mar, 10:53, "sweller" <swel...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Salad Dodger wrote:
> > > You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller
> > > quote - As an aside the railway has been "zero" since 1992, do you
> > > think train drivers are being persecuted?
>
> > Last time I checked, train driving was a voluntary activity.
>
> Unfortunately, earning a living isn't.

In comrade Brown's glorious Britain? You're having a laugh, sunshine.

> Are you attempting to qualify for Team GB's Special Olympic squad?

Are you after a thick ear?

sweller wrote:
> SteveH wrote:
>
>>> You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller
>>> quote
>>
>> Is it irrelevant, though?
>
> Utterly, utterly - and it devalues it.
>
>
>> We are seeing one law after another brought in or amended, all of
>> which seem to be aimed at dividing and grinding down the population.
>
> Christ, you sound like a fifteen year old student.

Yeah but by not even remotely acknowledging what is, after all, a perfectly
valid point which is widely realized you sound a little like a Soviet era
comrade.

Are we not meant to be living in an ever more enlightened and liberal era?
in which case we should expect successive governments to be unravelling and
reducing the burden of law, not increasing it.

The law, as you should realise, in many areas, has become so intricate and
unwieldy that it is inaccessible to the general population, parts of it are
workable only to the really rather well off, and the effect is negative
rather than positive.

Law, like taxes, should surely in essence be of the people and for the
people. Given the comparatively rather positive demeanour of people in the
UK one knows when a tax or law is judged about right because around 75% of
people will broadly agree with it. There is a fair bit of law and tax in
the UK that one might struggle to gather 25% for.

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Hog

sweller wrote:
> 'Hog wrote:
>
>>> You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller
>>> quote - As an aside the railway has been "zero" since 1992, do you
>>> think train drivers are being persecuted?
>>
>> I doubt it can be absolute zero? or there wouldn't be many train
>> drivers left. Or pilots. I assume the testing allows for a few ml
>> variation or somesuch.
>
> It's 29mg - which allows for naturally produced alcohol. I have
> represented a large number of D&A cases and TBH, you have eat a ****
> load of Mothers Pride to fail the alcohol test.

It's rather more about medication, mouthwash and having had beer 18 hours
ago. But yes, fine.

>> Do they also drug test train drivers and is there any sort of random
>> testing.
>
> Yes and also what is known as "for cause" testing. If there's an
> incident, no matter how minor, the particpants will be D&A tested.

Then things are just as they should be. For pilots and train drivers. I
wonder if bus drivers are so governed, they should be.

But for drivers I think the current status quo is just fine. It needs no
change. Any problems are caused by people who ignored the current law and
will ignore any change. I do genuinely feel there is pressure from people
who are in essence Temperence Movement in one way or another, and as
illiberal it should be resisted. Recall this is suggested in an environment
where drivers do not even have to present an annual eye test to be
registered against the licence, so I suggest there is no logical and
rational desire for accident reduction. An annual eye test and mandated ABS
on new cars would, I suggest, have a far more beneficial effect. As would
recurring re-testing with hazard awareness checks.

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