.... so why am I looking at this auction with intent?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=300524356631

I haven't even got the foggiest as to what this is.
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Timo Geusch wrote:
> ... so why am I looking at this auction with intent?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=300524356631
>
> I haven't even got the foggiest as to what this is.

You're a glutton for punishment and like battling the DMV?

On Feb-09-11 at 11:44:19 PST, seller added the following information:
Title was lost by original owner..Can be obtained and will be if required

I really, really wouldn't, even if it had a title.

Mark Olson <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> Timo Geusch wrote:
>> ... so why am I looking at this auction with intent?
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=300524356631
>>
>> I haven't even got the foggiest as to what this is.
>
> You're a glutton for punishment and like battling the DMV?
>
> On Feb-09-11 at 11:44:19 PST, seller added the following information:
> Title was lost by original owner..Can be obtained and will be if required
>
> I really, really wouldn't, even if it had a title.

Aaargh. Not another one with a lost title.

Reminds me of the plonker 2 hours away who had a Wrangler Sahara for
sale who called us while we were driving down there to tell us that the
title had been stolen a couple of years ago and he hadn't got around to
getting a replacement yet.

Oddly enough I wasn't too keen on buying it.

Which reminds me, I really need to get my arse in gear and get titles
for the Morinis and the BMW.

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Timo Geusch wrote:

> Aaargh. Not another one with a lost title.

Practically de rigueur for Craigslist.

> Which reminds me, I really need to get my arse in gear and get titles
> for the Morinis and the BMW.

What really matters is having plates- when it comes time to sell it there's
always a muppet handy who's willing to buy a bike without a title...

Timo Geusch <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> ... so why am I looking at this auction with intent?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=300524356631
>
> I haven't even got the foggiest as to what this is.

It's the name, isn't it.

You just want to be able to say that you ride a 'Bighorn'.
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SteveH

Mark Olson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> > Aaargh. Not another one with a lost title.
>
> Practically de rigueur for Craigslist.

Why is this such a hassle in the US? Here, lost documents are an
irritation, but they can be relatively easily and cheaply repalced.


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On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:42:57 -0800, Timo Geusch
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>... so why am I looking at this auction with intent?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=300524356631
>
>I haven't even got the foggiest as to what this is.

According to "Sunrise to Z1", it's 350cc 2-stroke disc-valve single,
from 1969 -1971. 33bhp @6500rpm
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CBR1100XX-X; CBR1000FL; GPz750R; Z650C2;
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:25:11 +0000, Salad Dodger
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:42:57 -0800, Timo Geusch
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>... so why am I looking at this auction with intent?
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=300524356631
>>
>>I haven't even got the foggiest as to what this is.
>
>According to "Sunrise to Z1", it's 350cc 2-stroke disc-valve single,
>from 1969 -1971. 33bhp @6500rpm

PS: The colour is "rawhide". :-)
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Previously ...
CBR1100XX-X; CBR1000FL; GPz750R; Z650C2;
Z750E1; KH500A8; KH250B3; TS250c; TS185c.

The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Mark Olson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> > Aaargh. Not another one with a lost title.
>>
>> Practically de rigueur for Craigslist.
>
> Why is this such a hassle in the US? Here, lost documents are an
> irritation, but they can be relatively easily and cheaply repalced.

Each individual state has its own policies and procedures for getting a
new title certificate issued. In my state, if you are the registered
owner, replacing a lost title is easy, you fill out a form and they
mail it to the address of record. But if you buy a bike without one,
getting the seller to cooperate after the fact can be nearly impossible
after he's got the money, so it becomes more difficult. Demanding that
the seller produce a title to a relatively cheap SOB as a condition of
sale doesn't have as much leverage as you might think, since many buyers
only want the bike for parts, or are scofflaws to whom such niceties as
registration and insurance are as familiar as quantum physics.

In fact, states vary so much on their title requirements that
businesses have sprung up based on getting title to a bike in one state,
then transferring it to the buyer's state of residence.

There can also be considerable leeway and uncertainty in the process
when you are basically at the mercy of the clerk who you happen to draw,
some are willing to smooth things over and others are sticklers and make
the process as difficult as possible. Chasing down previous owners for
signatures can be hugely frustrating since they usually have no stake
in resolving any problems, they've got their money and aren't liable
anymore for whatever happens with the vehicle.

Another wrinkle revolves around engine numbers and my state's desire to
discourage trafficking in stolen bike parts. Suffice it to say that all
this does is cause untold hassle for legitimate buyers who unwittingly
buy a bike with a replaced lump, even when it is legitimately obtained,
unless there is "acceptable" documentation of the provenance of the
engine provided when transferring the title. Even worse in this case
is that the transferring clerk may not be able to tell if the engine
number provided matches the original (it's not printed on the title
cert, but is recorded at the DMV) at the time of the transfer, so the
buyer may walk away thinking all is well, while the seller pockets the
cash. Weeks pass, then the application for transfer is rejected by
letter and the hunt for the missing seller begins. The relief in the
voice of the guy who bought my ZG1000 lump when finding out I would
document the sale was palpable- he only discovered this a year after
fitting the engine, when he was selling it and his buyer's application
for title was rejected.

Generally, it's an avoidable hassle, and unless the particular bike is
very rare and desirable, it's just not worth the effort when you can
buy one with a good title. In my opinion, most of the bikes without
titles are usually neglected crap anyway, which isn't surprising given
the lack of care and attention their owners gave to the documents.

But rather than taking my word for it, the OP is in a position to answer
the question for at least one state, and I look forward to hearing from
him about the experience.

Salad Dodger <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


> PS: The colour is "rawhide". :-)

Made my day, that has.

Rollin', rollin', rollin'...

Keep that old SOB rollin',

RAWHIIIIDE!


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