Mark N <(E-Mail Removed)> Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:53:59
>Noyes isn't someone who raced in the US and then decided in order to
>make it at a top level

Nothing to do with his passport then.

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Mark N <(E-Mail Removed)> Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:08:34
>Last year Rea beat both Haga and Fabrizio 4 times in 28 races

Sometimes I'm convinced that you don't actually follow M/C racing but
just read stats pages.

While we're on Americans (we were weren't we?)
- RL Hayden to Pedercini Kawasaki WSB
- Jason DiSalvo to BE1 Triumph WSS replacing Gary McCoy and partnering
Chaz Davies

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Mark N <(E-Mail Removed)> Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:16:19
>Julian Bond wrote:
>> Mark N
>>> Noyes isn't someone who raced in the US and then decided in order to
>>>make it at a top level
>> Nothing to do with his passport then.
>
>Do you have a point to make, Julian?

No. FOAD.

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Mark N <(E-Mail Removed)> Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:14:35
>And sometimes I'm convinced you follow bike racing on television (you
>only rarely seem to actually attend races)

Last year was the first for ages that I didn't get to a WSB or GP race,
it was all BSB. I have a hard time accepting the price for GP and WSB at
Donington clashed with Glastonbury. But BSB, I was at Brands, Donington,
Cadwell and both Oulton Park races.

> and only see what you want to see. Statistics are one of the few
>undeniable realities of racing, and as such are one of the few tools
>available when discussing matters with those who insist on seeing only
>what they want to see...

But selective quoting from stats misses the actual nature of the racing.
Somebody who consistently comes third looks like a loser even if they
were inches off the battle for 1st and 2nd every weekend. If all you do
is compare race wins, you can't see that they were right on the pace.

Then there's the other stories. Rea's 5th is not a bad rookie year. But
actually it included 2 wins and 6 podiums. The first half of the year
was confused by Ten Kate losing their way and then changing their
suspension supplier. He out-rode his two team mates. He's clearly not
afraid to cut inside the stars. So he's now going into a season with
experience, a sorted bike and confidence. So why write him off because
he only got 5th and 2 wins? If you'd followed the racing instead of
obsessing over win ratios, you'd know that.

But then he ain't **** because he ain't American and you're probably
really writing him off because he's from some village in Northern
Ireland.

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On Jan 18, 1:44*am, Julian Bond <julian_b...@voidstar.com> wrote:
> Champ <n...@champ.org.uk> Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:10:41
>
> >There's a long history of Australian riders coming to Britain, from
> >Gardner to Stoner, because that's where the action is, and that's
> >where you get noticed. *No one suggests they are any less Australian.
>
> >So why is an American rider building his careeer in Spain any
> >different?
>
> And of course those with long memories remember Dennis Noyes fondly
> because
> a) He's a laugh who was part of the old school of messing around in hire
> cars
> b) Used to be one of the commentators on Eurosport.

I remember Dennis Noyes because he lived in Montcugat (north of
Barcelona) and wrote for Solo Moto and then Motociclismo in Spain. And
very funny. And a total groupie of Roberts and Mamola and Baldwin and
the entire US invasion and wrote to make them very popular and beloved
in Spain. (Geez, Roberts Jr learned to ride a bike mostly in Spain and
Mark N doesn't mention that :-))

I remember meeting Noyes at the motorcycle convergence points as a
teenager (ask him about Calafat).

Noyes is cool, and *totally* American. Since when is living in Europe
anti-USA? Geez, some people...

Oh 2010 is going to be so different.

Even with AMA finally dead (good riddance, talk about a series that's
been boring for years) because not enough paying customers or sponsors
cared anymore, MN will keep pontificating the natural superiority of
US talent that could not even keep its local base interested.
Whatever. I am overstating the point, it is sad a once so great series
is moribund, and that motorcycle racing has lost a fanbase in the USA.
On the other hand, I can only imagine Mark's glee if the roles were
reversed, and AMA was flourishing while MotoGP went out of business.
We'd never hear the end of it. :-)

ON the other hand, I echo Mark's concern that Moto1 in 2010 may be a
boring year. There are only 3 riders that can win a race, and neither
Lorenzo nor Stoner seem to be able to keep it together for a season
mentally. Pedrosa doesn't count - he'd only win on a superior bike,
but he is not able to direct Honda's resources to deliver on it. And
yet Mark i going to claim I am a groupie for Spanish riders. :-) The
newcomers are on second tier bikes. Spies will impress and win at
least one race, but given the material he rides he's probably good for
a predictable 4th in the championship, which actually would show he'd
be a serious contender for a win on a good bike. Ad I have no doubt
that, once the 1000 format comes back, and Rossi moves over to F1
(he's clocked amazing times on a Ferrari), Spies will win a title. And
teams will make sure to secure his services. So to me Spies is just
bidding his time until then.

On the Hopkins discussion, heck, I liked the guy a *lot* and have the
posting history to show it. But he is unfortunately done. I think his
crashes riding that damn Suzuki that he made often make look
competitive cut his career short. It is unfortunate. But I doubt he
would want to be riding a second tier bike and keep doing that to
himself given his fighting spirit. It's nothing to do with him being
American, heck it's got to do with him having been there many years
and probably in the end not wanting a second tier bike anymore. I
would have liked to see Hopkins on a better bike... like 5 years ago.
*that* was wrong. But not the fact he is not riding in MotoGP now.

For all the word about the favoritism for the likes of Bautista - they
will be riding **** bikes probably no accomplished rider wants to
ride. Not everyone wants to be riding 2s slower a lap for the honor to
be in MotoGP.

Moto2 hopefully is a hornets nest, and steals the show. I look forward
to Elias hopefully getting good material there and showing 'em yo0ung
upstarts a trick or two. :-)

....p

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:28:29 GMT, pablo wrote:

> For all the word about the favoritism for the likes of Bautista - they
> will be riding **** bikes probably no accomplished rider wants to
> ride. Not everyone wants to be riding 2s slower a lap for the honor to
> be in MotoGP.

I can't decide if this was a mistake or a tactical move by Bautista.
Obviously he couldn't go into any other factory team, which would have
meant one of the satellite teams and it's no guarantee that they'll be any
quicker for him.

I can't see Suzuki sorting out their problems with the 800 now, and
presumably will write it off and concentrate on the 1000cc. So next year
he'll have a dilemma of jumping to another factory or gambling on Suzuki
getting it right.

Maybe it was the money.

pablo wrote:

> I remember Dennis Noyes because he lived in Montcugat (north of
> Barcelona) and wrote for Solo Moto and then Motociclismo in Spain. And
> very funny. And a total groupie of Roberts and Mamola and Baldwin and
> the entire US invasion and wrote to make them very popular and beloved
> in Spain. (Geez, Roberts Jr learned to ride a bike mostly in Spain and
> Mark N doesn't mention that :-))

No, I didn't and that's because:
a) It has no bearing whatsoever on the matter at hand
b) It isn't even true in any case.

> Noyes is cool, and *totally* American. Since when is living in Europe
> anti-USA? Geez, some people...

So people indeed. Of course we were talking about Kenny Noyes and not
Dennis Noyes. And this was about Moto2 having an American presence,
which is a bit more than just having one rider who happens to be
American by nationality, even though he was born and largely raised in
Spain, and his roadracing career has entirely been in Spain as well.
Not so different than calling Jamie Hacking or John Hopkins British.,
and calling Hopper a British presence in MotoGP...

Switters wrote:
> I can't decide if this was a mistake or a tactical move by Bautista.
> Obviously he couldn't go into any other factory team, which would have
> meant one of the satellite teams and it's no guarantee that they'll be any
> quicker for him.
>
> I can't see Suzuki sorting out their problems with the 800 now, and
> presumably will write it off and concentrate on the 1000cc. *So next year
> he'll have a dilemma of jumping to another factory or gambling on Suzuki
> getting it right.
>
> Maybe it was the money.

Your basic assumption seems to be that Bautista is really good, good
enough to expect to have been chased by the better factories, good
enough in their eyes that he actually was chased by other factories.
And in fact there's no evidence of that, I don't think, it seemed his
choices were to stay with Aspar and ride a satellite Ducati or go to
Suzuki. If you look at the Honda satellite teams and Tech 3, I don't
see where he really had a serious chance of getting any of those
rides. I think the prospect of riding the "career-killer" Ducati
spooked him, so he went with Suzuki.

And given that Suzuki wouldn't pony up any money for Spies a year
earlier, I doubt they pay him a huge amount. But right now almost any
ride in MotoGP is better than anything anywhere else, and I have to
believe that guys like Vermeulen, Toseland, Elias, de Angelis would
have been very happy to have been offered a ride at Suzuki.

In fact Bautista didn't do enough in 250 to deserve a top ride, even
with his other built-in advantages for MotoGP (Spanish passport and a
name rider in Spain, a 125 championship, entirely GP-grown, tiny
size).

Dennis Noyes who was an announcer at motogp.com streaming? The father of
Kenny?

I wrote him suggesting doing an article about, if I remember right, why
not use larger front tires, and he wrote an article just for me. Never
published it, I think.
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