On 2009-05-21, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 21 May 2009 19:22:24 +1000
> TimC <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> On 2009-05-21, Jim Kelly (aka Bruce)
>> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>>> A side benefit could be a timely warning of a particularly dangerous
>>> bit of road ahead - watch your pocket - errr speed. Unlike me,
>>> Zebee, you clearly have not been fined for driving below the speed
>>> limit as many Victorians have - soon after the tunnel was so
>>> equipped.
>>
>> Bollox. Cite the cases of people being fined for driving under the
>> speed limit please.
>
> As Theo will no doubt say, there are rules in WA about minimum speeds
> on roads with high speed limits.
>
> Most states do have an obstructing traffic offence, but I'd want to
> see evidence that anyone has been done for that where the speed
> differential is less than say doing 30 in a 70 zone.

And the last RTA documentation I had read explicitly stated that it
wasn't considered obstructing traffic if the vehicle "obstructing" was
not capable of going faster, or the conditions were such that it
wasn't safe to go faster or that the difference was sufficiently
small.

Heck, I only just realised a few days ago that my speeds reads 10km/h
over at 90km/h (honest, gov!). I had been wondering why people had
been overtaking me so rapidly. Doubly so when I was still on my Ls,
doing what I thought was 80km/h (probably more like 73km/h if the
error scales linearly), in a 110km/h zone (remind me again how L
restrictions are meant to make you safer when there's a 37km/h speed
differential between my legal speed and those of other road users?).

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In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 22 May 2009 00:14:39 +1000
TimC <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> error scales linearly), in a 110km/h zone (remind me again how L
> restrictions are meant to make you safer when there's a 37km/h speed
> differential between my legal speed and those of other road users?).

Another example of speed being wrongly handled as a safety issue....

The idea, I presume, is to keep learners at speeds where their
reflexes and abilities won't be too badly taxed if there's a problem.

Problem comes when you can't avoid the higher speed roads, meaning
freeways between places (especially as these days cars are funnelled
towards them) and rural areas.

I dunno there would be enough crashes at L level caused by learner
inability to handle the speed, might be more at P level but then
those who push it at that level n circumstances likely to lead to
problems are probably not put off by the law figuring they won't
get caught...

Zebee

>>>
Gee if only I'd read down the page a little...
<<<

Guess I'll choose my subject more carefully next time!!

Thanks,

Jim

On May 21, 5:13*pm, "Jim Kelly" <newsREM...@kellwood.com.au> wrote:
> Look$ like the tax collector$ are addicted.
> First with zero tolerance, now with no recognition of observant riders/drivers . . .
> Here are photos of the new hidden systems:
>
> http://www.ceos.com.au/products/tirtl-content.htm

Its a traffic counter, not a speed camera. Unwarrranted
scaremongering.

Nev..

On May 21, 7:19*pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 21 May 2009 19:22:24 +1000

> > Bollox. *Cite the cases of people being fined for driving under the
> > speed limit please.
>
> As Theo will no doubt say, there are rules in WA about minimum speeds
> on roads with high speed limits.

The differential being 20km/h on freeways only in WA.

> Most states do have an obstructing traffic offence, but I'd want to
> see evidence that anyone has been done for that where the speed
> differential is less than say doing 30 in a 70 zone.

The WA Gov't in it's budget last week assigned $29 million to
additional Speed and Red Light cameras. Unlike Vic and NSW, WA has no
fixed speed cameras. They are all portable and rarely stay in one
place for more than a couple of hours, so no GPS is ever going to tell
you where they are. Because they require an operator they rarely
operate between midnight and dawn.

Theo

"Nev.." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:fb6b5640-de94-4021-a88d-(E-Mail Removed)...
On May 21, 5:13 pm, "Jim Kelly" <newsREM...@kellwood.com.au> wrote:
> Look$ like the tax collector$ are addicted.
> First with zero tolerance, now with no recognition of observant riders/drivers . . .
> Here are photos of the new hidden systems:
>
> http://www.ceos.com.au/products/tirtl-content.htm

Its a traffic counter, not a speed camera. Unwarrranted
scaremongering.

Nev..


From the above link:
TIRTL has numerous applications, some of which are as follows:

a.. Advanced traffic detection including vehicle counting, classification and speed measurement
b.. Speed and red-light enforcement (connected to a camera)
c.. Point-to-Point speed and travel time enforcement
d.. . . . ..
The towers in the photo contain a camera for each lane allegedly . . . but they hardly warrant being called 'hidden', but certainly the curbside stuff is.

Jim

On May 26, 1:59*am, "Jim Kelly" <newsREM...@kellwood.com.au> wrote:

> The towers in the photo contain a camera for each lane allegedly . . . but they hardly warrant being called 'hidden',

My point exactly. So WTF did you title this post "new $peed camera$
are hidden" and then contradict yourself?

Nev..

>>>>
"Nev.." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:f975e202-0923-4e3a-9b6b-(E-Mail Removed)...
On May 26, 1:59 am, "Jim Kelly" <newsREM...@kellwood.com.au> wrote:

> The towers in the photo contain a camera for each lane allegedly . . . but they hardly warrant being called 'hidden',

My point exactly. So WTF did you title this post "new $peed camera$
are hidden" and then contradict yourself?
Nev..
<<<<

.. . . you didn't read the part of my post that you chose to snip . . .

The brochure clearly talks about speed enforcement and only talks about the hidden curbside gadgets.

Jim