wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> exbn-(E-Mail Removed) (ts) wrote in news:
> >
> > BMW K's seem to survive well at airports.
>
> Unless the are newish ones and parked at Heathrow T5. There have been a
> spate of thefts there recently of high value bikes.

Mine has fortunately 6 valves in total, and not per cylinder.

I don't even think I have to put a "for sale, offers above £300
considered (defective gear box)" sign on it to deter people with chain
croppers.

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80/7, 750SS, K-RS 6v

wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> There have been a spate of thefts there recently of high value bikes.

Nothing for me to worry about, then.....


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(E-Mail Removed) (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
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> wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> There have been a spate of thefts there recently of high value bikes.
>
> Nothing for me to worry about, then.....
>
>

Certainly not. There have been 3 in the last few months that I've heard
about. 1x R1200GS & 2x S1000RR. The last one was parked outside the NCP[1]
office & secured with an Almax chain. Chain & security system were defeated
in minutes & the bike was ridden away. It had a tracker on it but that was
deactivated about 20 minutes later. As stated in an earlier thread, the
unreliability of new BMWs has created a stong demand for hookie spares.

[1] or other useless shower

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BMW R1150GS

wessie wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
> news:1k2nqtj.bxlhld1pso7xxN%totallydeadmailbox@yah oo.co.uk:
>
>> wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> There have been a spate of thefts there recently of high value
>>> bikes.
>>
>> Nothing for me to worry about, then.....
>>
>>
>
> Certainly not. There have been 3 in the last few months that I've
> heard about. 1x R1200GS & 2x S1000RR. The last one was parked outside
> the NCP[1] office & secured with an Almax chain. Chain & security
> system were defeated in minutes & the bike was ridden away. It had a
> tracker on it but that was deactivated about 20 minutes later. As
> stated in an earlier thread, the unreliability of new BMWs has
> created a stong demand for hookie spares.
>
> [1] or other useless shower

Real pro's then. The Almax is pretty tough but a hydraulic cropper will go
through pretty much any steel, assuming that the weapon of choice would be a
tad too noisy.

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wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> As stated in an earlier thread, the
> unreliability of new BMWs has created a stong demand for hookie spares.

Not sure I buy this reasoning, actually. First, if they're new(ish) and
they go phut, they're under warranty, so why nick parts for them? And
BMW seem to be quite good about fixing things out of warrnty, too.

Secondly, I don't know how many ordinary owners of late model BMWs are
capable of stripping and fixing the things themselves - my guess is not
many.

Thirdly, if they had the dodgy spares and carted them off to their local
BMW dealer to be fitted, questions would be asked. I hope.


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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> As stated in an earlier thread, the
>> unreliability of new BMWs has created a stong demand for hookie
>> spares.
>
> Not sure I buy this reasoning, actually. First, if they're new(ish)
> and they go phut, they're under warranty, so why nick parts for them?
> And BMW seem to be quite good about fixing things out of warrnty, too.
>
> Secondly, I don't know how many ordinary owners of late model BMWs are
> capable of stripping and fixing the things themselves - my guess is
> not many.
>
> Thirdly, if they had the dodgy spares and carted them off to their
> local BMW dealer to be fitted, questions would be asked. I hope.

I expect it's for all the bikes that are being raced

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Hog. <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >> As stated in an earlier thread, the
> >> unreliability of new BMWs has created a stong demand for hookie
> >> spares.
> >
> > Not sure I buy this reasoning, actually. First, if they're new(ish)
> > and they go phut, they're under warranty, so why nick parts for them?
> > And BMW seem to be quite good about fixing things out of warrnty, too.
> >
> > Secondly, I don't know how many ordinary owners of late model BMWs are
> > capable of stripping and fixing the things themselves - my guess is
> > not many.
> >
> > Thirdly, if they had the dodgy spares and carted them off to their
> > local BMW dealer to be fitted, questions would be asked. I hope.
>
> I expect it's for all the bikes that are being raced

Much more likely, at least for the 1000R.


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(E-Mail Removed) (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
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> Hog. <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> > wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >
>> >> As stated in an earlier thread, the
>> >> unreliability of new BMWs has created a stong demand for hookie
>> >> spares.
>> >
>> > Not sure I buy this reasoning, actually. First, if they're new(ish)
>> > and they go phut, they're under warranty, so why nick parts for them?
>> > And BMW seem to be quite good about fixing things out of warrnty, too.
>> >
>> > Secondly, I don't know how many ordinary owners of late model BMWs are
>> > capable of stripping and fixing the things themselves - my guess is
>> > not many.
>> >
>> > Thirdly, if they had the dodgy spares and carted them off to their
>> > local BMW dealer to be fitted, questions would be asked. I hope.
>>

How many BMW dealers are there in Albania, Chile, South Africa etc? We've
discussed the Albanian situation on here recently? How many of those people
driving/riding stolen BMWs, Mercs etc go to the official network for
spares?

>> I expect it's for all the bikes that are being raced
>
> Much more likely, at least for the 1000R.
>
>

I gave that as a potential outlet as well in the last thread. The S1000RR
engine is fragile, on the race track at least.

It's not like this is a new phenonomen and sometimes overseas dealers are
in on the scam. A while back an operation that was shipping Rolls Royce
spares to Australia was caught. The parts were being removed and boxed up
in convincingly genuine packaging and sold by a RR dealer. Admittedly, this
was before computer inventory systems were common which would make it more
difficult for the dealer network to be involved. It won't stop the
independent specialists though.

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BMW R1150GS

wessie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> How many BMW dealers are there in Albania, Chile, South Africa etc? We've
> discussed the Albanian situation on here recently? How many of those people
> driving/riding stolen BMWs, Mercs etc go to the official network for
> spares?

How many bikes are out there, though? Not many. Cars - that's different.
It sounds like conjecture.


> >> I expect it's for all the bikes that are being raced
> >
> > Much more likely, at least for the 1000R.
> >
> >
>
> I gave that as a potential outlet as well in the last thread. The S1000RR
> engine is fragile, on the race track at least.

Missed the thread, but yeah, racetrack theft is an old favourite.

>
> It's not like this is a new phenonomen and sometimes overseas dealers are
> in on the scam. A while back an operation that was shipping Rolls Royce
> spares to Australia was caught. The parts were being removed and boxed up
> in convincingly genuine packaging and sold by a RR dealer. Admittedly, this
> was before computer inventory systems were common which would make it more
> difficult for the dealer network to be involved. It won't stop the
> independent specialists though.

This is *car* stuff, though. Not bike stuff.

Traditonally, hookey bike parts are crash damage items. Plastic, lights,
forks, levers, wheels, clocks, you know the sort of thing.

I've not heard much of people breaking bikes for the oily bits. Complete
engines, of course: I've seen a few ringed bikes myself. But nicking
bikes to bust up the engines and fence the bits inside - nope, don't buy
it.

It adds immensely to the effort[1] involved in nicking bikes and parting
them out, and it won't actually save the buyer of such stuff that much
dosh, given the labour cost factor in rebuilding an engine. And as I
also said, I don't believe many owners of modern BMWs are capable of
stripping and rebuilding their bikes.

Sorry, I can't believe that this is a major factor in bike theft.

[1] And, quite possibly, the risk


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Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ERx2 GN250.
Higgler Supreme
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