There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
sense of security".


I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
situations.

Dennis Davidson wrote:
>
> There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
> Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
> sense of security".
>
> I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
> situations.

I think the point is somewhat valid. I don't know how valid. I was the
sort of dickhead that was going to do it whether I had training or not,
but some people certainly are going to feel more confident about acting
like dickheads if they get trained in it

Charlie

> I think the point is somewhat valid. I don't know how valid. I was the
> sort of dickhead that was going to do it whether I had training or not,
> but some people certainly are going to feel more confident about acting
> like dickheads if they get trained in it
>
> Charlie

Coming from someone who lost the ass end of a car in the wet just after I
got my P's (yay cheap re-treads!) and kinda ended up in someones front
yard....I'm all for it.

We need a system like Germany...but maybe not QUITE as expensive

: P

Dennis Davidson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed) s.com:

> There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
> Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
> sense of security".
>
>
> I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
> situations.
>
>

He is a genius.
That's why they don't train airline pilots before they let them steer a
747; the same reason I don't have another 5-6yrs before being handed a full
Emergency Medicine fellowship - training just doesn' work does it? What we
need are less experienced people without any training given free rein on
the roads.
S.

"Dennis Davidson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message

> There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
> Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
> sense of security".

The latest Newspeak is 'Skills Kill'.

Yet if you ask a copper why they can apparently speed at will without dying
in vast numbers, they'll tell you it's their training...

Doug Cox.
Work to ride, Ride to work...

Idiots are gonna be idiots wether or not they have had training. Atlerast
with training they may have less chance of hurting themselves or others.
However sensible people with training are more likely to be safer and more
aware road users. When i get the cash together i will be doing a defensive
riding course of some kind... not because i am worried about my abilities,
but because i like to keep an open mind and no i know very little about
riding when compared to others. Atleast thats my 2 cents worth on this topic
anyway.

Josh - ZX9R

"Dennis Davidson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) s.com...
There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
sense of security".


I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
situations.

"Dennis Davidson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) s.com...
> There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
> Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
> sense of security".
>
>
> I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
> situations.
>

This is the anti-training mantra that we see all state governments and
police forces spew forth, speed cameras and higher fines are the solution to
everything in their view. This is easy to sell to the great unwashed and
brings in a massive income stream.

Boxer

"DoinitSideways" <doinitsideways_baffles_@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:tuvzb.33$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Idiots are gonna be idiots wether or not they have had training. Atlerast
> with training they may have less chance of hurting themselves or others.
> However sensible people with training are more likely to be safer and more
> aware road users. When i get the cash together i will be doing a defensive
> riding course of some kind... not because i am worried about my abilities,
> but because i like to keep an open mind and no i know very little about
> riding when compared to others. Atleast thats my 2 cents worth on this
topic
> anyway.
>
> Josh - ZX9R
>

Josh,

Forget the rider training, get some computer training fast.

Learn the location of the space bar, the Shift key and the spell check.

Boxer

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:15:29 GMT, Dennis Davidson wrote:

> There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
> Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
> sense of security".
>
>
> I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
> situations.

Correct.
Dumbed-down drivers are more likely to buy the "it's for your own good"
SCAM.
And they'll more likely take view that taking the view from the TV with
those fabulously skilful and fast drivers doing stuff they couldn't
possibly imagine themselves being involved in.....and they'll be watching
the ads, with it, too.

More and more I wonder what planet these politicians are really from.
'cause it sure as hell ain't this one.
Maybe the scammers have been scammed????

--
Toby
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

Whats ironic is im doing an information technology degree...well...a double
with civil engineering... But i didnt know usenet was an english class from
highschool. Wether or not i spell correctly...(or care for that matter)...
you still basically understood what i said...

Josh - ZX9R

"Boxer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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"DoinitSideways" <doinitsideways_baffles_@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:tuvzb.33$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Idiots are gonna be idiots wether or not they have had training. Atlerast
> with training they may have less chance of hurting themselves or others.
> However sensible people with training are more likely to be safer and more
> aware road users. When i get the cash together i will be doing a defensive
> riding course of some kind... not because i am worried about my abilities,
> but because i like to keep an open mind and no i know very little about
> riding when compared to others. Atleast thats my 2 cents worth on this
topic
> anyway.
>
> Josh - ZX9R
>

Josh,

Forget the rider training, get some computer training fast.

Learn the location of the space bar, the Shift key and the spell check.

Boxer