paul c wrote:
> R. LaCasse wrote:

Oh, here's another one for the experts here to criticize (no insult, I'm
always glad to be corrected, correctly!): If your battery troubles have
coincided with the use of the Gorilla, then it's possible that the
battery has been run down flat many times. That would certainly affect
the longevity of a battery, after a few times it will never re-charge to
the same current capacity as a battery that has never been discharged by
more than half of its capacity.

paul c wrote:
....
> Just for a quick test, I'd check the voltage drop across the Gorilla's
> connectors when it's armed and then roughly calculate the current draw,
> a one volt drop would be about a 0.1 amp draw. Or if the documentation
> says it uses 2 or 3 watts when on, that would be roughly 0.1 or 0.2 amp
> draw, which could run down a smallish bike battery in three or four
> days. That might change my rough guidelines above and maybe you'd have
> to charge once a week. It rarely gets freezing cold here, so the only
> drag is getting wet when you remove it from the carpark.
> ...

Oops, sorry, I think that would be nonsense if the ignition is off and
nothing else is in series with the alarm. You might have to measure the
current, not the voltage, but the current must be so small it won't hurt
a multimeter.

Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

> And where would I put it? At home -- no sun, since it is night time.
>
> And I'm not going to haul fragile solar panels to work (where the
> motorcycle parking is under a bunch of trees) and back each day.

OK, Dennis, I see it's gonna be one of THOSE games........where you find
fault with every suggestion made. FINE. Your on you own. Have fun.

In order to improve your battery situation, some small change in your
lifestyle might be necessary...........like parking IN the sun at work. The
solar panels involved are not that large and are quite sturdy.........but I
guess you'd prefer to just keep crying and moaning.

Maybe you could eliminate the problem altogether by NOT arming the alarm
when simple logic should tell you that the likelyhood of theft is extremely
low..........like in the day time while you are at work.

Who Me? <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Maybe you could eliminate the problem altogether by NOT arming the alarm
> when simple logic should tell you that the likelyhood of theft is extremely
> low..........like in the day time while you are at work.

Simple logic tells me that if the bike isn't in a secure place, and
you're nowhere near it, this is precisely the sort of time it would get
nicked.


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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:34:37 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

|>
|> OTOH: it is time for me hook up the intelligent charger for a few
|>hours -- just to ensure the battery hasn't sulfated (the charger has a
|>desulfate mode which attempts to desulfate a battery by using high
|>amperage pulses at around 15-16 volts)

You let that run through your system??? how's that???

With a no-load rectifier of 14.9.......I remove the (-) terminal
for that 15-16-17 volt stuff.... or am I just being paranoid somewhere.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:58:04 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

|> Well, it is a tad temperature sensitive -- a cold engine WILL charge
|>at idle, but after it warms up, it goes into the above condition.
|>Unfortunately, cold weather also affects batteries

Yep I've noticed that!

|> And I recall either reading, or maybe even some discussion with the
|>dealer, that some other large touring grade motorcycles have a similar
|>problem at idle.

Seems common after I talked at the new M/Cycle garage.....

Have you ever noticed, that with all those battery tender/chargers,
with the Terminal/post "O" rings cables, for your hard to access battery
terminals/posts.............then turn around in all THEIR manuals and say
to attach the (-) "O" ring cable to your chassis.

I know it's the spark safety thing, but these MF hardly ever screw
up, unless something unusual goes wrong......

I prefer the posts since that's what the (-) "O" ring cables were
made for, even if the manufacturers manual says otherwise.

I know we discussed the Battery Charging Kaboom!! before with some
grisly results....

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:41:42 -0700, Bob <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

|> I looked at a lot a chargers (battery tender jr/plus), with the
|>terminal rings, but those rings are 18" and too short for any real use on a

I stand corrected, I made a measurement scan, and found that the 18"
"O" rings that come with battery tenders will fit just right beneath the
"the battery" cowling"A" panel, and down the rear right signal light/fender
area.

But for "big ass" 1 hour charging, at 12v/4.5amps the cowling"A"
panel and the (-) terminal have to come off, since they aren't fused on that
manner.

Bob

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:09:42 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

|>On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:23:17 -0700, Bob <(E-Mail Removed)> declaimed
|>the following in alt.scooter:
|>
|>
|>> But for "big ass" 1 hour charging, at 12v/4.5amps the cowling"A"
|>> panel and the (-) terminal have to come off, since they aren't fused on that
|>> manner.
|>>
|> And somebody was concerned about the desulfation mode of my charger?

I think that was voltage rate....really not much difference in most
chargers if then they borrow amps to volts and vice versa....

Sometimes I can't really see the difference between a *constant
voltage* charger and a *constant amps* charger as they discuss in the Yamy
shop manual....they might be full of **** there at some point.

|>At least I had it set to "small battery" (2A rate -- which is still a
|>tad fast for the battery size... Large battery rate is variable from 10
|>to 30A determined by the way the battery responds to the charger)

2-3 amps is not too much for a semi quick charge on most M/C
batteries....

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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, NG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:09:42 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>|>On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:23:17 -0700, Bob <(E-Mail Removed)> declaimed
>|>the following in alt.scooter:
>|>
>|>
>|>> But for "big ass" 1 hour charging, at 12v/4.5amps the cowling"A"
>|>> panel and the (-) terminal have to come off, since they aren't fused on
> that
>|>> manner.
>|>>
>|> And somebody was concerned about the desulfation mode of my charger?
>
> I think that was voltage rate....really not much difference in most
>chargers if then they borrow amps to volts and vice versa....
>
> Sometimes I can't really see the difference between a *constant
>voltage* charger and a *constant amps* charger as they discuss in the Yamy
>shop manual....they might be full of **** there at some point.
>
>|>At least I had it set to "small battery" (2A rate -- which is still a
>|>tad fast for the battery size... Large battery rate is variable from 10
>|>to 30A determined by the way the battery responds to the charger)
>
> 2-3 amps is not too much for a semi quick charge on most M/C
>batteries....
i use 10 amps for 20-30 minutes on 12n's without problems.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:17:53 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)in wrote:

|>> 2-3 amps is not too much for a semi quick charge on most M/C
|>>batteries....
|>i use 10 amps for 20-30 minutes on 12n's without problems.

Do you remove the Battery Terminals?