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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, NG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:17:53 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)in wrote:
>
>|>> 2-3 amps is not too much for a semi quick charge on most M/C
>|>>batteries....
>|>i use 10 amps for 20-30 minutes on 12n's without problems.
>
> Do you remove the Battery Terminals?
no.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:34:49 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)in wrote:

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|>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, NG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
|>>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:17:53 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)in wrote:
|>>
|>>|>> 2-3 amps is not too much for a semi quick charge on most M/C
|>>|>>batteries....
|>>|>i use 10 amps for 20-30 minutes on 12n's without problems.
|>>
|>> Do you remove the Battery Terminals?
|>no.

NO??? That's pretty freaky if your running a highly computerized
M/C Scooter like a Yamy Majesty 400, I used to do it your way on the Honda
CH250, but today's bikes have too much computerized things to go wrong if
the Main Fuse doesn't catch it....

The Main Fuse catches any anomaly in power surge, but there's
always that 1-->1,000+ times.....again computerized side stands and storage
box lights may be at risk of a surge....

Bob

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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, NG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:34:49 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)in wrote:
>
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>|>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, NG
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>|>>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:17:53 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)in wrote:
>|>>
>|>>|>> 2-3 amps is not too much for a semi quick charge on most M/C
>|>>|>>batteries....
>|>>|>i use 10 amps for 20-30 minutes on 12n's without problems.
>|>>
>|>> Do you remove the Battery Terminals?
>|>no.
>
> NO??? That's pretty freaky if your running a highly computerized
>M/C Scooter like a Yamy Majesty 400, I used to do it your way on the Honda
>CH250, but today's bikes have too much computerized things to go wrong if
>the Main Fuse doesn't catch it....
>
> The Main Fuse catches any anomaly in power surge, but there's
>always that 1-->1,000+ times.....again computerized side stands and storage
>box lights may be at risk of a surge....
>
>Bob
>
sorry, but i never said i had a scooter. they annoy me unless it's an old
vespa or guzzi. i don't think i would appreciate a computerized scooter or
bike. hmmm, i gues the list would help
3 1978 yamaha sr 500's. a rat , a custom and a hot rod
1 1966 yamaha yr1 350cc street.
1 1966 honda 305 chopper
1 1969 triumph tr6r
and various assorted stuff.

R. LaCasse wrote:

>>>> Do you remove the Battery Terminals?
>>> no.
>
> The Main Fuse catches any anomaly in power surge,

Geezzz......fuses don't "catch anomalies", they go open when presented with
a substantial overload. They generally don't "care" about spikes. They
certainly don't care about voltage spikes as a fuse "works" on excessive
current flow.

Equipment that is turned OFF doesn't care about spikes either.

R. LaCasse <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> NO??? That's pretty freaky if your running a highly computerized
> M/C Scooter like a Yamy Majesty 400, I used to do it your way on the Honda
> CH250, but today's bikes have too much computerized things to go wrong if
> the Main Fuse doesn't catch it....
>
> The Main Fuse catches any anomaly in power surge, but there's
> always that 1-->1,000+ times.....again computerized side stands and storage
> box lights may be at risk of a surge....

Nonsense.

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If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. And RTFM.
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:26:21 -0500, "Who Me?" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

|>R. LaCasse wrote:
|>
|>>>>> Do you remove the Battery Terminals?
|>>>> no.
|>>
|>> The Main Fuse catches any anomaly in power surge,
|>
|>Geezzz......fuses don't "catch anomalies", they go open when presented with
|>a substantial overload. They generally don't "care" about spikes. They
|>certainly don't care about voltage spikes as a fuse "works" on excessive
|>current flow.
|>
|>Equipment that is turned OFF doesn't care about spikes either.
|>

Witty dissection, what I meant by Surge isn't a spike, but a
Battery Charger (Current) Overload.

Oddly the Yamy Shop Manual says not to use Auto or constant AMP
chargers since they will damage the MF GTB9-4 "wet" SLA battery. and that
means ALL of the Battery Tenders on the Market, doesn't it.

I have since switched to an AGM hybrid, were I can quick Charge
with no Damage to 12v/5amps.

Bob

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:07:55 +0100, (E-Mail Removed) (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:

|>R. LaCasse <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
|>
|>> NO??? That's pretty freaky if your running a highly computerized
|>> M/C Scooter like a Yamy Majesty 400, I used to do it your way on the Honda
|>> CH250, but today's bikes have too much computerized things to go wrong if
|>> the Main Fuse doesn't catch it....
|>>
|>> The Main Fuse catches any anomaly in power surge, but there's
|>> always that 1-->1,000+ times.....again computerized side stands and storage
|>> box lights may be at risk of a surge....
|>
|>Nonsense.

Shear rubbish. pip pip and that blighty wanky concept to toss out.

I agree that a side stand like the (Helix cn250-1990 and Yamy
Majesty 2004--->2009) with a starter cutout is a bit awkward, and the
underseat storage box with the light can drain a battery if it's low....

Yep that part is nonsense!

Bob

R. LaCasse wrote:

>>> Equipment that is turned OFF doesn't care about spikes either.
>>>
>
> Witty dissection, what I meant by Surge isn't a spike, but a
> Battery Charger (Current) Overload.
>

I wouldn't have to be so "witty" with my "dissection" if you would be
clearer in your declarations.

How do you connect the battery charger so that it goes THROUGH the main fuse
as it is charging ???
I don't think I've ever seen it done that way before. ;-)

On Jun 28, 4:30*pm, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:17:51 -0700, R. LaCasse <scoo...@yamaha.info>
> declaimed the following in alt.scooter:
>
> > * *You let that run through your system??? how's that???
>
> * * * * Hasn't seemed to cause any problem yet... The only activecircuit
> with the key off is the immobilizer LED; the main circuits in a logical
> layout should be on the other side of the ignition switch -- the only
> remaining "direct connect" stuff should be the output of the voltage
> regulator from the alternator (or whatever circuit they use) and the
> input to that is high voltage to begin with... {You don't want to see
> what I did to car battery in the 80s when my voltage regulator failed
> HIGH... I was pumping >100V into that battery; had some very bright
> headlights for the era though <G>. Shortly after replacing the regulator
> I also had to replace the alternator -- the load to create that 100V
> took its toll on the pulley bearing... Chrysler floating field
> regulator}
>
> > * *With a no-load rectifier of 14.9.......I remove the (-) terminal
> > for that 15-16-17 volt stuff.... or am I just being paranoid somewhere.
>
> * * * * Presuming a negative ground system -- that's the one terminal I
> wouldn't want to remove as any leakage on the positive side is going to
> be looking for a way to get to ground... (In fact, it is often
> recommended that the final connection in charging or jumping be made TO
> vehicle ground, AWAY from the battery, so sparks don't ignite an gas
> discharge -- hence one needs the negative battery pole in place)
>
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My two bits, get rid of the lead acid battery and put in a niMH you
can charge these in 30 minutes form dead with no problems. Lead acid
batteries are a hassle, they simply cannot be fast charged as the
voltage rises and they produce gas. ( Sounds like me at a fast food
place!!) Another alternate for this kind of problem is to have two
batteries and make a quick change system so you can get it in and
out. Anderson connectors are fantastic for this kind of job. Keep one
charged and change them over as needed.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:37:29 -0500, "Who Me?" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

|>
|>How do you connect the battery charger so that it goes THROUGH the main fuse
|>as it is charging ???
|>I don't think I've ever seen it done that way before. ;-)

Well, If you use the (0) terminal rings with your
Optima/C-tec/Battery Tender, and you accidentally forget to disconnect the
(-) terminal and are in a hurry to see if your charger has done the
job....it'll pop the main fuse for sure....

The Main fuse and battery is only accessed through the ignition
switch...right...

Then there's your "taillight" brown wire, which is always alive, you
can pull that too if your doing a more than 10 amps charge.

I remove the (-) terminal if I'm going to use some zap above the
rectifiers 14.9v, it's mostly for peace I guess, so many strange circuits in
different bikes, like the yamy Majesty side stand ignition cutout, interior
storage box..and some days your mind isn't so clear.