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Pip
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      01-21-2007, 11:33 AM
I'm having a problem with a bike that is fitted with a Spyball alarm.
I'm not even sure what model it is, but let's assume that it is the
Patriot. The alarm appears to be working, at least the bloody
immobiliser side is - but it also appears to be erratic in operation:
going off when it shouldn't, not going off when it should, that sort
of thing. The LED indicating status isn't working either and hasn't
for some time, apparently - this makes it difficult to tell whether
the alarm is armed or not.

The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

What I'd like to do is to perform a hard reset. I'm thinking about
disconnecting the bike battery, then pulling out the alarm's internal
battery and leaving it to think about its behaviour for a while before
reconnecting the batteries.

The problem is that I have no information on the alarm, and neither
does the owner of the bike. Spyball seem to have disappeared off the
planet and all I can find through googling is complaints about alarm
failures with no solutions.

Does anybody have any info or instructions relevant to a Spyball?

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The Older Gentleman
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      01-21-2007, 11:51 AM
Pip <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.


Given the fact that everyone else thinks it's crap, and that the firm
doesn't seem to exist, I still think this is the wiser option. If it's
gone wrong once, it'll go wrong again, and Sod's Law says that the next
time will be at the most bloody inconvenient moment.

Btw, the bike concerned isn't the Throttle Cable Harley, is it?


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      01-21-2007, 12:08 PM
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:51:10 +0000,
http://www.motorbike-forums.com/(E-Mail Removed) (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Pip <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

>
>Given the fact that everyone else thinks it's crap, and that the firm
>doesn't seem to exist, I still think this is the wiser option. If it's
>gone wrong once, it'll go wrong again, and Sod's Law says that the next
>time will be at the most bloody inconvenient moment.


I know you're right, but I don't want to commit to this course of
action precipitately. If someone can come up with some means of
diagnosis I'd like to try resetting it first.

Another awkwardness is that there's no documentation with the alarm,
nor is there a manual or wiring diagram for the bike.
>
>Btw, the bike concerned isn't the Throttle Cable Harley, is it?


<whistles, innocently>

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      01-21-2007, 12:35 PM
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:08:06 +0000, Pip
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:51:10 +0000,
>(E-Mail Removed) (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
>>Pip <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
>>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
>>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

>>
>>Given the fact that everyone else thinks it's crap, and that the firm
>>doesn't seem to exist, I still think this is the wiser option. If it's
>>gone wrong once, it'll go wrong again, and Sod's Law says that the next
>>time will be at the most bloody inconvenient moment.

>
>I know you're right, but I don't want to commit to this course of
>action precipitately. If someone can come up with some means of
>diagnosis I'd like to try resetting it first.
>
>Another awkwardness is that there's no documentation with the alarm,
>nor is there a manual or wiring diagram for the bike.
>>
>>Btw, the bike concerned isn't the Throttle Cable Harley, is it?

>
><whistles, innocently>



Mate is having same probs on his NightTrain, had to have a new unit
shipped over from the states, funny enough that doesn't work either.
Once I'm over this shitty flu/man death virus I'll pop down the shop
that re fitted it and ask them for the wiring diagram. It must have
come with one.
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      01-21-2007, 12:53 PM
Pip pretended :

> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.


The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.

All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.

All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.

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      01-21-2007, 01:52 PM
BORG <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Once I'm over this shitty flu/man death virus I'll pop down the shop
> that re fitted it and ask them for the wiring diagram. It must have
> come with one.


<Settles down comfortably>

This is going to be *fun*.


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      01-21-2007, 03:00 PM
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:53:40 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Pip pretended :
>
>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

>
>The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
>be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
>rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
>which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.
>
>All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
>where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
>can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.
>
>All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
>layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.



Off you go then, if it's not done in 1/2 hour you owe us all a pint
each
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      01-21-2007, 03:25 PM
BORG wrote :
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:53:40 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>> Pip pretended :
>>
>>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
>>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
>>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.

>>
>> The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
>> be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
>> rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
>> which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.
>>
>> All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
>> where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
>> can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.
>>
>> All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
>> layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.



> Off you go then, if it's not done in 1/2 hour you owe us all a pint
> each


Well an hour at the most. Your method of tackling the problem would
be...?

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      01-21-2007, 03:45 PM

"Pip" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm having a problem with a bike that is fitted with a Spyball alarm.
> I'm not even sure what model it is, but let's assume that it is the
> Patriot. The alarm appears to be working, at least the bloody
> immobiliser side is - but it also appears to be erratic in operation:
> going off when it shouldn't, not going off when it should, that sort
> of thing. The LED indicating status isn't working either and hasn't
> for some time, apparently - this makes it difficult to tell whether
> the alarm is armed or not.
>
> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.
>
> What I'd like to do is to perform a hard reset. I'm thinking about
> disconnecting the bike battery, then pulling out the alarm's internal
> battery and leaving it to think about its behaviour for a while before
> reconnecting the batteries.
>
> The problem is that I have no information on the alarm, and neither
> does the owner of the bike. Spyball seem to have disappeared off the
> planet and all I can find through googling is complaints about alarm
> failures with no solutions.
>
> Does anybody have any info or instructions relevant to a Spyball?


I know they're in Italy and their website states contact them on
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but I don't know if they are able to provide a wiring diagram


 
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      01-21-2007, 04:02 PM
Harry Bloomfield <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> BORG wrote :
> > On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:53:40 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> >> Pip pretended :
> >>
> >>> The obvious course of action is to rip it out, but as it has been
> >>> installed properly, all the black wires disappear into the original
> >>> loom so removal would be time consuming, to say the least.
> >>
> >> The logical way to tackle its removal lacking a circuit diagram - would
> >> be to simply cut it out at every point it connects into the loom, then
> >> rejoin all parts of the loom where the wire colours match [1], but
> >> which would otherwise leave a loose end of wire in the loom.
> >>
> >> All of these alarm/immobiliser circuits are either series circuits
> >> where the loom has been cut or broken [1], or parallel circuits which
> >> can simply be cut out and the loom tapping points insulated.
> >>
> >> All joints should of course be soldered, well insulated, then finally a
> >> layer of tape over the top of the entire loom.

>
>
> > Off you go then, if it's not done in 1/2 hour you owe us all a pint
> > each

>
> Well an hour at the most. Your method of tackling the problem would
> be...?


Throw it at someone who understands the ****ing things. I've heard of
people trying to dismantle/remove alarms and immobilisers themselves,
and accidentally fritzing the bike's black boxes.


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