Got some more info regarding that BMW R75/5 I mentioned a couple of
days earlier.

Turns out that apart from some visible changes like leg shields, it's
been fitted with parts from a later model, most importantly a five
speed 'box and the later model's gear lever linkage. Most of the other
changes should be reversible (like the additional voltmeter and clock)
but the biggies aren't as I'm pretty sure that the original box doesn't
come with the bike.

Now that bike is approaching an age where originality most likely
counts for more than practicality so IMNSHO the above mods actually
reduce the value of the bike.

Any comments?

Timo @ Work composed the following;:
> Got some more info regarding that BMW R75/5 I mentioned a couple of
> days earlier.
>
> Turns out that apart from some visible changes like leg shields, it's
> been fitted with parts from a later model, most importantly a five
> speed 'box and the later model's gear lever linkage. Most of the other
> changes should be reversible (like the additional voltmeter and clock)
> but the biggies aren't as I'm pretty sure that the original box doesn't
> come with the bike.
>
> Now that bike is approaching an age where originality most likely
> counts for more than practicality so IMNSHO the above mods actually
> reduce the value of the bike.

I'd agree .. BUT .. are you going to ride the bike and use it, or do you
want it as an irregular 'show' type ride, only brought out on sunny days
etc. If it's going to be ridden, all weathers and in all sorts of
conditions, then maybe a later 'box is a sensible addition. If it's going
to be used occasionally as a show type bike, for someone to gawp at and
mutter good things about then definitely originality would count for a lot
more than is necessarily sensible.

Personally, I'd use it as a haggling point and suggest that you're an
afficianado of the marque (whatever) and that you really want an original ..
see if they'll drop the price a tad, or at least to something you're
comfortable with.

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http://www.4x4prejudice.org/index.php
(8(!) Homer Rules ...
"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."

i keep seeing reviews and raves about this naturalisproducts.com and
organiconline.com.sg . many people are discussing in beauty forums and
magazines have positive reviews on this . but this thing ain't new, its
been around for 20 years! anyone tried can feedback to me on exactly
how good it is?



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this company http://www.naturalisproducts.com . looking for this
urgently. for those who have not come across it, its some foodbased
anti-aging products. i googled for this and received result
showing its available at http://www.organiconline.com.sg. i need this
urgently but shipping from singapore will take some time, if anyone is
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urgently. i have a group of us looking to buy this. thanks!

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> i keep seeing

SPAM

**** OFF

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(8(!) Homer Rules ...
"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."

Timo @ Work wrote:
> Got some more info regarding that BMW R75/5 I mentioned a couple of
> days earlier.
>
> Turns out that apart from some visible changes like leg shields, it's
> been fitted with parts from a later model, most importantly a five
> speed 'box and the later model's gear lever linkage. Most of the other
> changes should be reversible (like the additional voltmeter and clock)
> but the biggies aren't as I'm pretty sure that the original box
> doesn't come with the bike.
>
> Now that bike is approaching an age where originality most likely
> counts for more than practicality so IMNSHO the above mods actually
> reduce the value of the bike.
>
> Any comments?

Do you want a working bike or a museum piece? How much is a first-class,
wholly original R75/5 worth? ISTR you said it was LWB, and I think the SWBs
are worth more. OTOH it could be a SWB with the longer LWB swingarm, in
which case it's even less original.

It sounds like a nice, classic-looking, non-original bike for everyday use,
and for that use, the mods would be a plus. The mods might be a bargaining
point, but if you want an original, you'd be better looking for some other
bike in the condition you want.

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platypus

no need to ask

platypus was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
> Timo @ Work wrote:
>> Got some more info regarding that BMW R75/5 I mentioned a couple of
>> days earlier.
>>
>> Turns out that apart from some visible changes like leg shields, it's
>> been fitted with parts from a later model, most importantly a five
>> speed 'box and the later model's gear lever linkage. Most of the other
>> changes should be reversible (like the additional voltmeter and clock)
>> but the biggies aren't as I'm pretty sure that the original box
>> doesn't come with the bike.
>>
>> Now that bike is approaching an age where originality most likely
>> counts for more than practicality so IMNSHO the above mods actually
>> reduce the value of the bike.
>>
>> Any comments?
>
> Do you want a working bike or a museum piece? How much is a first-class,
> wholly original R75/5 worth? ISTR you said it was LWB, and I think the SWBs
> are worth more. OTOH it could be a SWB with the longer LWB swingarm, in
> which case it's even less original.

Well, an original 75/5 in the same condition is worth something like
2.5k-3k, probably a bit more but not *that* much more. As you said,
the SWB tend to be slightly more expensive.

> It sounds like a nice, classic-looking, non-original bike for everyday use,
> and for that use, the mods would be a plus. The mods might be a bargaining
> point, but if you want an original, you'd be better looking for some other
> bike in the condition you want.

Well, if everything works as intended then it would be a good buy as
the five-speed conversion is desirable for a user bike provided the
correct gear ratios have been used (due to the way the speedo is
driven off the gearbox). The reason I asked for opinions was that I
normally don't "do" modified bikes so I'd need a bit of advice when it
comes to haggling.

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Morini Corsaro 125 | TS 250/1 | ST1100 ABS | CB450 K4 | Husky SM610S
BOTAFOF #33
The UKRMC FAQ: http://www.unixconsult.co.uk/bike-ukrmcfaq.html

Timo Geusch wrote:
>
> Well, if everything works as intended then it would be a good buy as
> the five-speed conversion is desirable for a user bike provided the
> correct gear ratios have been used (due to the way the speedo is
> driven off the gearbox). The reason I asked for opinions was that I
> normally don't "do" modified bikes so I'd need a bit of advice when it
> comes to haggling.

The speedo is driven off the back end of the output shaft, so you can have a
full set of comedy ratios in the box and it won't make the blindest bit of
difference. What does make the difference is a change to rear bevel drive
ratio(32:10 for the R75), and this should be compensated for at the
speedo(the R75 should have 1.186 in tiny print on the speedo face).

Haggling is about bullshit, so TOG would be better placed to advise you, but
for non-standard parts, I'd suck air through my teeth and let the vendor
explain why they're an improvement. And then still look doubtful.

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platypus

no need to ask

platypus was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
> Timo Geusch wrote:
>>
>> Well, if everything works as intended then it would be a good buy as
>> the five-speed conversion is desirable for a user bike provided the
>> correct gear ratios have been used (due to the way the speedo is
>> driven off the gearbox). The reason I asked for opinions was that I
>> normally don't "do" modified bikes so I'd need a bit of advice when it
>> comes to haggling.
>
> The speedo is driven off the back end of the output shaft, so you can have a
> full set of comedy ratios in the box and it won't make the blindest bit of
> difference.

Ah yes, I forgot the exact takeoff point. Been a couple of years.

> What does make the difference is a change to rear bevel drive
> ratio(32:10 for the R75), and this should be compensated for at the
> speedo(the R75 should have 1.186 in tiny print on the speedo face).

Yes, I know that...

> Haggling is about bullshit, so TOG would be better placed to advise you, but

Yep, I was waiting for him to turn up but it looks like he's too good
for us these days...

> for non-standard parts, I'd suck air through my teeth and let the vendor
> explain why they're an improvement. And then still look doubtful.

Always works.

--
Timo Geusch
Morini Corsaro 125 | TS 250/1 | ST1100 ABS | CB450 K4 | Husky SM610S
BOTAFOF #33
The UKRMC FAQ: http://www.unixconsult.co.uk/bike-ukrmcfaq.html

platypus wrote:

> but for non-standard parts, I'd suck air through my teeth and let
> the vendor explain why they're an improvement.

"It's all I had lying around and they made it work".

--
Simon

http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/

sweller wrote:
> platypus wrote:
>
>> but for non-standard parts, I'd suck air through my teeth and let
>> the vendor explain why they're an improvement.
>
> "It's all I had lying around and they made it work".

Wrong side of the Berlin Wall.

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platypus

no need to ask