http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/190518541155


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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/190518541155

HFM?

They're coming out of the woodwork everywhere it seems:

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ws...309930927.html

You could buy a very decent FJR for that much, and a new ZG1400 for not
a whole lot more.

Mark Olson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/190518541155
>
> HFM?

Quite. And the seat and the front mudguard are wrong.

>
> They're coming out of the woodwork everywhere it seems:
>
> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ws...309930927.html
>
> You could buy a very decent FJR for that much, and a new ZG1400 for not
> a whole lot more.

A new ZG1400 for not much more than six grand? Blimey.


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On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 19:44:31 +0100, (E-Mail Removed) (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/190518541155

FFS. At 4 grand I'm not surprised at the zero bids.

Even if it were reasonably priced, and I wanted another one[1] I'd
really hate to deal with someone whose spelling was that bad.



[1] Which of coutse a part of me does, as it was my first ever bike,
back in 1976.

On 4/7/2011 3:20 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Mark Olson<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ws...309930927.html
>>
>> You could buy a very decent FJR for that much, and a new ZG1400 for not
>> a whole lot more.
>
> A new ZG1400 for not much more than six grand? Blimey.

That didn't come out like I meant it to... I meant a new-style used
Concours ZG1400 as opposed to the old-style Concours ZG1000.

I owned a ZG1000 and they are an OK bike, but you'd have to have the
cognitive abilities of a ****ed gerbil to prefer one over an FJR,
there's no comparison whatsoever.

But this guy is only one of an endless procession of clueless sellers
on Craiglist and elsewhere, who think their old tat is gold.

Mark Olson wrote:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/190518541155
>
> HFM?
>
> They're coming out of the woodwork everywhere it seems:
>
> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ws...309930927.html
>
> You could buy a very decent FJR for that much, and a new ZG1400 for not
> a whole lot more.
>
>
>


But are they 33 years old?

Mark Olson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I owned a ZG1000 and they are an OK bike, but you'd have to have the
> cognitive abilities of a ****ed gerbil to prefer one over an FJR,
> there's no comparison whatsoever.

I once vaguely considered one as a cheapo tourer, before I bought the
Trophy (and then the BMW), because you do seem to get an awful lot of
bike and kit for not much money.

I've met a few owners and the bikes seem reliable and long-lived (which
is no surprise), but they do seem something of a lash-up.


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On 4/8/2011 1:18 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Mark Olson<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> I owned a ZG1000 and they are an OK bike, but you'd have to have the
>> cognitive abilities of a ****ed gerbil to prefer one over an FJR,
>> there's no comparison whatsoever.
>
> I once vaguely considered one as a cheapo tourer, before I bought the
> Trophy (and then the BMW), because you do seem to get an awful lot of
> bike and kit for not much money.
>
> I've met a few owners and the bikes seem reliable and long-lived (which
> is no surprise), but they do seem something of a lash-up.

I can't disagree. Making an allowance for the fact that it came out
15 years previous to the FJR, it doesn't look quite so bad, but when
you're asking for similar money, well, someone's out of touch. The
Concours Owners Group are a pretty rabid bunch when it comes to
defending the ZG1000 (though many/most of that organization have
moved on to the ZG1400 now) but to a man, they would be the first to
admit that this guy doesn't have his head screwed on straight.

On Apr 8, 8:03*am, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> On 4/8/2011 1:18 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> > I've met a few owners and the bikes seem reliable and long-lived (which
> > is no surprise), but they do seem something of a lash-up.
>
> I can't disagree. *Making an allowance for the fact that it came out
> 15 years previous to the FJR, it doesn't look quite so bad, but when
> you're asking for similar money, well, someone's out of touch. The
> Concours Owners Group are a pretty rabid bunch when it comes to
> defending the ZG1000 (though many/most of that organization have
> moved on to the ZG1400 now) but to a man, they would be the first to
> admit that this guy doesn't have his head screwed on straight.

Kawasaki never seemed to develop the ZG. They gave it some new colours
from time to time, and then, IIRC, they detuned it by about 10-15bhp,
for some inexplicable reason. But later ones really looked exactly
like the first ones. When you think what BMW did with the K100RT
(which came out a year before the ZG), by developing it into the
K1100LT and then the K1200LT, over more or less the same time-span
that the ZG ran for, this is just.... well, it's just odd, considering
the ZG was originally aimed head-on at BMW.

Even Triumph tried to develop the Trophy. It started as a sports-
tourer, and then they gave it a bigger fairing and a more upright
riding position, and then they changed the screen design again, but I
think that they, like Kawasaki, were trying to make a silk purse out
of something that was a bit of a sow's ear. I think they made a better
fist of it than Kawasaki, actually.

TOG@Toil wrote:

> Kawasaki never seemed to develop the ZG. They gave it some new colours
> from time to time, and then, IIRC, they detuned it by about 10-15bhp,
> for some inexplicable reason. But later ones really looked exactly

The de-tuning is news to me. Not saying it didn't happen but I'm fairly
sure nothing of substance changed in the engines or carbs over the bike's
lifetime[1]. If this had happened I'm sure I would have caught a whiff of
it on the COG forum, if only from one group of owners needling others
with lesser-spec engines.

If you meant that they detuned it when they created the ZG shaft-drive
variant from the Ninja 1000, that may well be.

[1] cams[2] and carbs are the same from 86-06.
[2] IIRC the intake and exhaust cams are the same part[3], but the sprockets
are bolted on differently.
[3] I know because I have a ruined set of cams I hadn't the heart[4] to
throw away.
[4] or brains.