Ace wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:50:48 +0000, in
> <(E-Mail Removed)>, Champ
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:38:19 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11 Mar, 09:35, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>>>> stephenand...@msn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I need a learner bike. I'm living in Switzerland and will buy it
>>>>> new.
>>>> Why new? You'll probably drop it.
>>> More to the point, why a YBR?
>> Even more to the point, why ask on a uk newsgroup for advice about
>> buying and riding in Suisse?
>
> Cos he'll probably get more english-speaking Swiss residents here than
> on a Swiss newsgroup? Anyhoo, what difference does his location make
> to the question?


Local laws/regulations, easy availability of windy mountain roads,
colder climate at times...

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> I need a learner bike. I'm living in Switzerland and will buy it
> new.
>
> Any opinions on the YBR 125 or Honda CG125? Or should I look at
> something else?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve.

According to our local dealership, the fuel injected YBR125s are pretty much
trouble free. CG125s <MSOHPR> are pretty much trouble free anyway. Avoid
any old stock carbed YBRs and just choose what you prefer.

Apparently the YBR is a bit sprightlier, for 125cc four stroke values of
sprightly. They handle in a similar fashion, have similar riding positions
but the CG is more amenable to home bodging.

If you want something four stroke, Japanese and sportier, look to the CBR125
and the new Yamaha YZF-R125. I'd take the Yamaha anyday on looks alone.

Personally, I'd avoid anything Chinese from ebay.

Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s, the
venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two stroke bikes
really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but by 'eck they go well.


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In communiqué <fr67r0$8ju$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, M.Badger
<(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>
>Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s, the
>venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two stroke bikes
>really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but by 'eck they go well.
>
>

http://www.intabikes.co.uk/stock.php?id=3724
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Pete Fisher wrote:

> In communiqué <fr67r0$8ju$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, M.Badger
> <(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>
>>Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s, the
>>venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two stroke bikes
>>really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but by 'eck they go well.
>>
>>
>
> http://www.intabikes.co.uk/stock.php?id=3724

Thats cute.

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:46:36 +0000, "M.Badger"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Pete Fisher wrote:
>
>> In communiqué <fr67r0$8ju$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, M.Badger
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>
>>>Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s, the
>>>venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two stroke bikes
>>>really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but by 'eck they go well.

>> http://www.intabikes.co.uk/stock.php?id=3724
>
>Thats cute.

What is the current Swiss thinking on two-stroke motors?

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In communiqué <(E-Mail Removed)>, Pip
<(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:46:36 +0000, "M.Badger"
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> In communiqué <fr67r0$8ju$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, M.Badger
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>>
>>>>Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s, the
>>>>venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two stroke bikes
>>>>really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but by 'eck they go well.
>
>>> http://www.intabikes.co.uk/stock.php?id=3724
>>
>>Thats cute.
>
>What is the current Swiss thinking on two-stroke motors?
>

Sulzer still reckon they are very good for low speed marine diesel
applications.

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:55:40 +0000, Pete Fisher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In communiqué <(E-Mail Removed)>, Pip
><(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom

>>What is the current Swiss thinking on two-stroke motors?

>Sulzer still reckon they are very good for low speed marine diesel
>applications.

There's the marine application for the CG, of course: it gets a bit
marinaceous at the bottom of Beachy Head.

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Pip wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:46:36 +0000, "M.Badger"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> In communiqué <fr67r0$8ju$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, M.Badger
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>>
>>>>Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s, the
>>>>venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two stroke bikes
>>>>really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but by 'eck they go
>>>>well.
>
>>> http://www.intabikes.co.uk/stock.php?id=3724
>>
>>Thats cute.
>
> What is the current Swiss thinking on two-stroke motors?
>

From what I can find, they are following the EURO-3 specifications, so
catalytic converter equipped strokers should be OK. I didn't look very hard
though.

http://www.empa.ch/plugin/template/empa/*/39486/---/l=2

I couldn't find anything specific on two strokes within 5 minutes of
searching, so gave up.

I read a piece on the new Mito recently, it meets EURO-3 so should be OK as
should the Yamaha TDR125.

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Pete Fisher wrote:

> In communiqué <fr67r0$8ju$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, M.Badger
> <(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
> >
> > Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s,
> > the venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two
> > stroke bikes really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but
> > by 'eck they go well.
> >
> >
>
> http://www.intabikes.co.uk/stock.php?id=3724

That certainly is a very attractive machine.

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Pete Fisher wrote:

> In communiqué <(E-Mail Removed)>, Dan L
> <(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
> > Pete Fisher wrote:
> >
> > > In communiqué <fr67r0$8ju$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, M.Badger
> >><(E-Mail Removed)> cast forth these pearls of
> wisdom
> > > >
> >>> Alternatives?, well, theres Hyosung or Sachs with a range of 125s,
> >>> the venerable Cagiva Mito and the Aprilia RS. The Italian two
> >>> stroke bikes really are miniature rockets and need cosseting, but
> >>> by 'eck they go well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > http://www.intabikes.co.uk/stock.php?id=3724
> >
> > That certainly is a very attractive machine.
> >
>
> I would like a close look at one. The cycle parts look like a cross
> between the old SP01/02 or Crono and a GFR. Unfortunately[1] it has a
> Yamaha engine.
>
> [1] Speaking as a Gilera fan and ageing (both bike and rider) Arcore
> generation 125 owner.

Young chap at our refrigeration wholesaler was washing down his brand
spanking new Prilly RS125 yesterday. That really is a teenage wet
dream machine.

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