http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_int...822292&v=11160

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Onya bike

Gerry

"Diogenes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
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> http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_int...822292&v=11160
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Why? The US doesn't control the 'net.

If they did, it would've been completely killed back at the beginning of "Dubya's" tenure.

The only purpose this "petition" serves, is to collect the details of the gullible, for later exploitation by the unscrupulous.

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Bob Milutinovic
Cognicom

On 16/11/2011 7:19 PM, Bob Milutinovic wrote:
> "Diogenes"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
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>>
>> http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_int...822292&v=11160
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>
> Why? The US doesn't control the 'net.
>
> If they did, it would've been completely killed back at the beginning of "Dubya's" tenure.
>
> The only purpose this "petition" serves, is to collect the details of the gullible, for later exploitation by the unscrupulous.
>
Aside from that, the SOPA bullshit is seriously ****ed up. It's not
government censorship, it's entertainment-company censorship.

Add to the fact that the law will affect Canada and some Carribbean
(sp?) nations, it does need to be stopped - but I fail to see how
signing a petition at some organisation I've never heard of will help.

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Y.

On 17-Nov-11 12:59, Yeebok wrote:
> On 16/11/2011 7:19 PM, Bob Milutinovic wrote:
>> "Diogenes"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_int...822292&v=11160
>>>
>>
>> Why? The US doesn't control the 'net.
>>
>> If they did, it would've been completely killed back at the beginning
>> of "Dubya's" tenure.
>>
>> The only purpose this "petition" serves, is to collect the details of
>> the gullible, for later exploitation by the unscrupulous.
>>
> Aside from that, the SOPA bullshit is seriously ****ed up. It's not
> government censorship, it's entertainment-company censorship.
>
> Add to the fact that the law will affect Canada and some Carribbean
> (sp?) nations, it does need to be stopped - but I fail to see how
> signing a petition at some organisation I've never heard of will help.

"Under the new law, the US could force internet providers to block any
website on suspicion of violating copyright or trademark legislation, or
even failing to sufficiently police their users' activities. And,
because so much of the internet's hosts and hardware are located in the
US, their blacklist would clamp down on the free web for all of us."

So... everyone will move their hosts and hardware to countries which
have much more friendlier laws and shield them from US law. There are
plenty of economies out there which would love the capital investment in
technology on their shores, particularly throughout asia.

Nev..

On 17/11/2011 5:15 PM, Nev.. wrote:
> On 17-Nov-11 12:59, Yeebok wrote:
>> On 16/11/2011 7:19 PM, Bob Milutinovic wrote:
>>> "Diogenes"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_int...822292&v=11160
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why? The US doesn't control the 'net.
>>>
>>> If they did, it would've been completely killed back at the beginning
>>> of "Dubya's" tenure.
>>>
>>> The only purpose this "petition" serves, is to collect the details of
>>> the gullible, for later exploitation by the unscrupulous.
>>>
>> Aside from that, the SOPA bullshit is seriously ****ed up. It's not
>> government censorship, it's entertainment-company censorship.
>>
>> Add to the fact that the law will affect Canada and some Carribbean
>> (sp?) nations, it does need to be stopped - but I fail to see how
>> signing a petition at some organisation I've never heard of will help.
>
> "Under the new law, the US could force internet providers to block any
> website on suspicion of violating copyright or trademark legislation, or
> even failing to sufficiently police their users' activities. And,
> because so much of the internet's hosts and hardware are located in the
> US, their blacklist would clamp down on the free web for all of us."
>
> So... everyone will move their hosts and hardware to countries which
> have much more friendlier laws and shield them from US law. There are
> plenty of economies out there which would love the capital investment in
> technology on their shores, particularly throughout asia.
>
> Nev..
Yes, I am sincerely hoping Google and Twitter move first. Demonoid's
already done it.

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Y.

"Yeebok" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed). au...
> On 17/11/2011 5:15 PM, Nev.. wrote:
>> On 17-Nov-11 12:59, Yeebok wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2011 7:19 PM, Bob Milutinovic wrote:
>>>> "Diogenes"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_int...822292&v=11160
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why? The US doesn't control the 'net.
>>>>
>>>> If they did, it would've been completely killed back at the beginning
>>>> of "Dubya's" tenure.
>>>>
>>>> The only purpose this "petition" serves, is to collect the details of
>>>> the gullible, for later exploitation by the unscrupulous.
>>>>
>>> Aside from that, the SOPA bullshit is seriously ****ed up. It's not
>>> government censorship, it's entertainment-company censorship.
>>>
>>> Add to the fact that the law will affect Canada and some Carribbean
>>> (sp?) nations, it does need to be stopped - but I fail to see how
>>> signing a petition at some organisation I've never heard of will help.
>>
>> "Under the new law, the US could force internet providers to block any
>> website on suspicion of violating copyright or trademark legislation, or
>> even failing to sufficiently police their users' activities. And,
>> because so much of the internet's hosts and hardware are located in the
>> US, their blacklist would clamp down on the free web for all of us."
>>
>> So... everyone will move their hosts and hardware to countries which
>> have much more friendlier laws and shield them from US law. There are
>> plenty of economies out there which would love the capital investment in
>> technology on their shores, particularly throughout asia.
>>
>> Nev..
> Yes, I am sincerely hoping Google and Twitter move first. Demonoid's
> already done it.
>

According to two documentaries I've seen thus far, Google's currently investing heavily in research to move their servers out into the oceans and have them powered by "wave energy." If they succeed (they certainly won't be failing for lack of funding!), they'll become truly independent of any government - or at least their servers will.

Demonoid? There's a very good reason they're "off-shore" ;-)

Speaking of which... I don't suppose you have a spare invite to Demonoid? I've been trying to sign up for over a year now, but never seem to encounter an "open" period, and don't know any users to ask for an invitation :-/

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Bob Milutinovic
Cognicom