1.24 Grain Hollow Point?

What I would know as a dumdum perhaps?

And if so why the **** can't they call it that?

 

1.24 grains is *very* small. A revolver bullet is 210-240 grains.

Where did you see it?

 

Not quite. A hollowpoint is simply a standard semi-jacketted bullet with a
deepish hole in the exposed soft lead tip. Designed to expand on impact to
maximise shock without complete 'perforation' of target. You could mix
bloody coktails in the .44mag hollowpoints we used to reload with. Damned
accurate too.

Not a cool enough name. Some of the descriptions of the Speer, Hornady or
Lapua match rifle bullets were exquisite:
"Trophy Bonded Bear Claw", "Spitzer Boat Tail Hollow Point", Hollow Point
XTP (eXtreme Terminal Performance)"
It's a Merkin thang. They really 'do' guns rather well.

JB

 

Dumdum/special/whatever as long as it stops an elephant in its tracks
and leaves no mess it is public money well spent.

Arguments about the money being better spent using it on the right
target still remain unresolved of course but it is comforting to know
that plod can blast away dechronofying all and sundry and us innocent
passers by won't suffer anything more than a splash of blood or a bit of
trauma.

No reports of it being spread all over floor, walls and ceiling either
which suggests that maybe someone can't count or more likely a bullet
designed to leave the wrapping intact?

 

Heard. On R4 10 o'clock news. P'rhaps it was 124 and me ears need
seeing to?

 

124gr is about right for bullet weight in a standard 9x21mm cartridge.

JB

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7045122.stm says 124 grains

Google says this is the weight Luger designed his original 9mm pistol for.
http://www.ammoman.com/40_EP_DESC.htm - with some non gruesome pictures of
fired bullets to show the shape the hollow points go after penetration of
the target.

 

So about 2 ounces in all. More waste.

 

I seem to recall that the family member who had to identify the corpse,
said that de Menezes was 'unrecognisable'.

D.

 

One of my old college chums was sitting next to him when it happened.
So that should be 'Wealthy woman who had to see it....'

 

'Cos a dumdum is a home-made (or squaddy-made) device and thus lacks any
official blessing, whereas an HP is manufactured to carefully skirt the
legal niceties and blow the fuckers away with as little courtroom fuss
as possible.

Accuracy is the by-word of the Press.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

 

As in 'they walk on by'?

Phil.

 

Goodbye to all that, more like.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

 

Hadn't his residency visa expired anyway?

 

Sucking his keyboard for inspiration, Hog typed:

And, according to the BBC tonight, with cocaine in his system, which may
have made him paranoid and behave in an unusual manner.

 

Cynical 'character assassination'.

'But, questioned by Clare Montgomery QC, prosecuting, he said that if
cocaine were in "active stimulant mode" you would expect to find it in
the bloodstream, which it was not in De Menezes's case.'
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,2192315,00.html)

In any case, being 'paranoid and behav[ing] in an unusual manner'
shouldn't be enough to justify an unarmed man's head being pulverised by
seven bullets, especially when the man in question is, _stricto sensu_
under arrest at the time.

Punishment shooting. No doubt about it.

D.

 

No it's not. Dumdums are meant to fragment on impact, hollow points
don't. However, I think in practice for modern rifle rounds there isn't
a lot in it.

 

However,

"But, questioned by Clare Montgomery QC, prosecuting, he said that if
cocaine were in "active stimulant mode" you would expect to find it in the
bloodstream, which it was not in De Menezes's case."[1]

Once the "running and jumping over the turnstiles in a bulk jacket"
disinformation was binned, there's no report of him doing anything out of
the ordinary apart from flopping around on the floor with seven dum-dum
bullets colliding in his cranium.


[1]http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,2192315,00.html

 

**** me, this is a condor moment ...

D.

 

Right, so being shot to death is a legitimate way to deal with illegal
immigrants, then ?

D.