1975 Honda CB750 - too rich?

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Technical Discussion' started by Ig, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. Ig

    Ig Guest

    I've been troubleshooting the carburator on my bike and seem to be
    making progress... although it's hard for me to know as I'm a complete
    beginner here.

    I adjusted float height today and had some problems at start up (the
    engine wants to quit and I have to compensate with more gas)... I
    figure too much or not enough gas in the carburator.
    However, once it's running then it seems fine.
    Two things I noticed: when I forgot to shut off the gas tank valve,
    there was small fuel leak stain when I returned later.
    the second, is that when I down shift to first, and at other times in
    first gear, I hear what I'd describe as loud gurgles or
    "mini-feedbacks" coming from the muffler.

    Here's my questions:
    Does this point to too rich a fuel/air mixture?
    Is there any way to adjust air intake or ratio into carb, or is fuel
    the only thing that can be adjusted?
    If it's just a matter of bringing down the floats, what is the
    appropriate measurement, or is it just gradual adjusting until it feels
    right?

    thank you so much in advance for your time and expertise.
     
    Ig, Jul 13, 2006
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  2. Ig

    Les Guest

    Re-adjust it correctly, after making sure the float and needle are good.
    Change your oil to get rid of the fuel in it due to the flooding.
     
    Les, Jul 13, 2006
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  3. I suggest you have another look under the tank. There are three more
    carbs there.....
     
    chateau.murray, Jul 13, 2006
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  4. Ig

    FB Guest

    It's quite common to hear such strange noises coming from the exhaust
    system.

    The engineers at Honda simplified the ignition system by using two dual
    lead ignition coils so they would only need two sets of ignition points
    instead of four sets.

    This arrangement means that you get one spark to the cylinder that
    needs a spark, i.e., the piston is coming up on compression, but you
    also get a second spark, which is called the "wasted spark". It fires
    on the cylinder that is coming up on the exhaust stroke. This spark
    occurs while that cylinder's exhaust valve is open.

    If the fuel air mixture is too rich, you will have unburned fuel in the
    exhaust pipe, and you will hear low-pitched bangs and rumblings in the
    muffler as you roll off the throttle.

    OTOH, if your fuel/air mixture is too lean, you will hear a "piffle
    piffle SNAP!" sound in the exhaust, or even a rather loud "fart BANG!"
    when you roll off the gas.

    The exhaust sytem would have been a lot quieter if Honda had used four
    sets of points and four individual ignition coils.
    Rumbles and booms mean the mixture is too rich, snaps and bangs point
    to a lean mixture.
    The older style slide valve carburetors used on early Japanese
    motorcycles have an idle AIR screw on the side of the carburetor. The
    screw adjusts idle AIR *before* it mixes with the idle gasoline, so
    turning that screw clockwise reduces air flow and richens the mixture.

    The idle AIR screw will be on the side of each carburetor. About 1.24
    turns out from closed is a good starting point.

    If other responders start telling you that you need to "re-jet" your
    carburetors, ignore that stupid advice unless you have good reason to
    believe that some shade tree mechanic has actually changed the jets.

    There is a cesspool of bogus information about selecting jets and
    moving jet needle clips up and down and shade tree tuners will usually
    install a jet that is many, many sizes too large and wind up with an
    engine that puffs out black smoke.

    Check www.partsfish.com or www.bikebandit.com to learn what the
    original jet sizes were, and stick to those sizes unless you have an
    aftermarket exhaust and are using separate air filters instead of the
    original airbox.

    And leave the jet needle clip in the slot it was in when it came from
    the factory. Shade tree tuners have no idea what they are doing when
    they move the clip to a lower slot. This does NOT affect the idle or
    transition mixture at all.
    It would be easy for me to say that you shouldn't be messing with stuff
    you don't understand, if you don't have a manual, but trial and error
    is how I learned about carburetors, and there is more information
    becoming available all the time.

    I don't happen to have the exact measurement for the floats handy, but
    it's a critical measurement, of plus or minus only ONE millimeter.You
    will have to google for the float height, or acquire a manual.

    Suppose the manual says the correct setting is 14 millimeters, plus or
    minus 1 millimeter. That would be a range of 13 to 15 millimeters.

    Since the float level is adjusted with the carbs upside down on the
    bench,
    15 millimeters from the bottom of the float to the carburetor gasket
    surface is a LOWER fuel level, and 13 millimeters is a HIGHER fuel
    level.

    If the fuel level is adjusted over a millimeter too high, this makes
    it easier for the engine vacuum to suck gasoline out of the float bowl.
    The engine runs "soggy", it gargles on too much fuel at idle.

    If the fuel level is adjusted over a millimeter too low, it's harder
    for engine vacuum to pull fuel out of the float bowl, so the engine
    tends to surge and has an unstable idle RPM.
    ..
     
    FB, Jul 13, 2006
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