[QUOTE] And when you say tired, think permanent utter exhaustion to the point of debility. We ain't talking TATT syndrome here. Best friend was diagnosed with Type 2 a whi;le back: the tiredness was a total inability to function.[/QUOTE] It's gonna be either the diabetes or the haemochromotosis for me next month. Unfortunately the UK intervention level for serum ferritin is twice what it is in the US, or I'd have been having weekly phlebotomy years ago. I'm tired, mummy. (Jet-lag doesn't help!)