916 vs Black lightning

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Ace, May 31, 2011.

  1. I preferred the 2 because of the better fairing and the extra clocks.
    The 3 was nowhere near as good, and with the 4 it all fell apart. But
    yes, the 1 is the best looking.
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 2, 2011
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    Krusty Guest

    Yersh. His 6 week trip on it last year probably didn't help, the roads
    in Albania were particular bad apparently.
    Krusty, Jun 2, 2011
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    sweller Guest

    sweller, Jun 2, 2011
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    Ace Guest

    Ace, Jun 2, 2011
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    Ace Guest

    Yes, they were very pretty. Never rode one, as the first time I sat on
    one my knees were practically touching the clip-ons, so I decided that
    it wasn't for me.
    Ace, Jun 2, 2011
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    Hog. Guest

    See I liked the way the MKII fairing comes back around the heads, but they
    are both lovely. Silly to own though, being so utterly miniscule
    Hog., Jun 2, 2011
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    Hog. Guest

    I had a mate many years ago who was a 6'8" pipe cleaner and had a long
    history of road going Manx Nortons. He took a fancy to a MKI. It looked like
    a giant cellar spider jumped on a flea. His neck gave out soon afterwards.
    Hog., Jun 2, 2011
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    A.Clews Guest

    Amazed you even had to do that :)
    More like unholy shit...
    A.Clews, Jun 2, 2011
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    A.Clews Guest

    My mate's mum had one and she used to do her shopping on it, and my mate his
    paper round. We too were still at school at the time, but I do credit this
    thing with sparking our interest in bikes :)
    A.Clews, Jun 2, 2011
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    Alfonso Guest

    Define art? Most things designed to be beautiful end up as merely
    fashionable. Yesterdays "must have" fashion is tomorrow's "Wouldn't be
    seen dead". However some things which were designed as purely functional
    objects end up with a timeless beauty. The Spitfire, the Forth Bridge,
    the Flying Scotsman, Concorde. Motorbikes are essentially functional
    objects so many of them have a timeless sculptural beauty.
    My list would be exceedingly long. From the water cooled Scott via the
    Manx Norton to the HRD. I wouldn't hang any bike on my wall unless I
    could unhang it and ride it.

    BTW what is a 916?
    Alfonso, Jun 4, 2011
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    sweller Guest

    Whilst you make reasonable points I think there is a danger you may be
    confusing "old" with "timeless"

    It was going well until this point.
    sweller, Jun 4, 2011
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    ogden Guest

    There's a fairly crap show on tv at the moment where people sell
    works of art to dealers, Four Rooms.

    Last week, one of the works being sold was an original Concorde nose
    section. It went for 55 grand, iirc.
    ogden, Jun 4, 2011
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    Alfonso Guest

    Unless something has stood the test of time it is hard to judge whether
    it is merely today's fashion. Something can be old and crap. but nothing
    can be new and timeless. In many areas of life technology has
    advanced to the point where it is taken for granted. It is not the
    engineer who is now king but the "designer". The person who decides what
    it looks like. I tend to live in past when the engineer was king and
    things end up looking the way they do because of their function.

    What you see in the Ducati 916 is a shape which may be the result of a
    designer's effort which makes it suspect as far as the "test of time" is
    concerned. His degree of freedom has however been severely limited by
    practical features such as wind resistance and the "fashion" of the day
    which is to make sports bikes look like those on the race track - a
    completely functional design - so there is a chance it will stand the
    test of time. The Italians do tend to be better than most at getting it
    right. The heart of the bike is the engine and that is not visible which
    is why for me the Vincent would be my choice. More to look at, Not
    merely a pleasing shape.

    If you want an example of a designer's attempt at "beautifying" Google
    Vincent black knight.
    Alfonso, Jun 6, 2011
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    Ace Guest

    I agree with you here.
    Eh? It's nearly 20 years since it was designed - if that doesn't pass
    you 'test of time' criteria, how old would it have to be?

    Indeed. Alfonso, if you don't know that, I would suggest you refrain
    from further comment.
    Ace, Jun 6, 2011
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    Hog. Guest

    Hog., Jun 6, 2011
  17. I think it was the original GW test in Bike way back in 1976 or so were
    they had the comment that Honda had originally intended to call it the
    Lead Wing, until they noticed that gold was heavier...

    My personal preferences would include a Ducati's TT2, the '73 750 Sport
    (with the black bits on the engine and forks I think it's actually
    better looking than the Super Sport, and the colour is better), Triumph
    T160 (from the side it really looks good), Norton 750 Fastback, Guzzi's
    Le Mans I, the early Jotas, the list goes on and on.

    The Guggenheim museum in New York had an exhibition several years ago
    entitled "The Art of the Motorcycle". It went on tour to the various
    Guggenheim sites in the US & Europe, but unfortunately I never made it
    to any of them. The catalogue is a bloody big thick book, full of some
    of the best photos of bikes you will see. Well worth digging up on one
    of the old book sites on the net.

    /Steve in Denmark, who may own one or more of the bikes mentioned..
    Steve Borland, Jun 6, 2011
  18. Bloody electric bicyclist!
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 7, 2011
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    Thomas Guest

    As a designer with a diploma in Art who worked an engineering
    department, I think that's simplistic. And wrong. There were
    effectively 7 designer/engineers on our teams who decided how a
    product functioned/looked, from Project to Aero to Stress, etc. It is
    a collaborative effort. No one person has the ultimate decision on
    what a machine looks like, but all of them are striving for the most
    elegant solution - that which produces the most results with the least
    effort, materials, cost, and time to manufacture. Aesthetics are a
    consideration, but hardly a driving force. About the only place a
    designer has free reign is in the paint scheme.
    Thomas, Jun 7, 2011
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    Simon Wilson, Jun 7, 2011
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