A Day in court...

But they do. The 'LIDAR' units just use a higher
frequency of whassname is all. Most of the HWP cars
have a permanent mount 'RADAR' unit on the roof rack,
with a remote control in the coppers lap - above the
newspaper if he's conscientious.

G

 

No wonder your attention to detail is shot. Your eyes
are always bloody closed.

G

 

LOL! An excuse for everything. Never have I seen a group
so infinitely lazy and so highly skilled at escaping effort
as our nation's finest!

G

 

Too much American television. Why, I'll bet you can
lip-synch the whole script for 'Bad Boys'.

G

 

Good one Einstein. How many posts did you read
before you came up with that one? Idiot.

Show me where we have quotas in traffic policing.

Can't argue logic huh?

I'm sick to death with people like you and others, with
such attitudes. At least as a Cop, I'm in here having a go
and putting in my own time to bring a perspective to a
supposed motoring enthusiast news group, from a Police
point of view. Over the years, I'm sure I've brought useful
information to members here on what they can and cannot
get away with. Perhaps I should be like my colleagues, who
think I'm mad wasting my time in here. I've convinced a few
of them to log on and have a look at what goes on. They can't
understand why I'm still here wasting my time and getting shit
kicked in my face for it. The only reason I do do it, is because
for every one with an attitude like yours, there's ten who
appreciate it, but I tell you it's wearing thin. Noticed Shane in
here lately?

Spooky

 

Can't agree with that.

Nah, it's all good fun. It's a shame that you have to be in
some sort of trouble to be there, otherwise I'd do it more
often!

G

 

He admitted travelling at faster than the speed limit,
Einstein.

What are you? A sheep? Can't you think of anything
original?

 

crazycam, call for you on line four...

G

 

What? It's designed like that purposely!
As opposed to the old KR-10 Radar that could
keep the locked on speed for eternity, or at least until
the unit was switched off.

Excuse for who?

 

the moment I release the radar beam, I get a reading. It
is as instantaneous as turning on the light switch and then seeing
the light. Have you?

Spooky

 

Wrong. Completely different concept. The lidar
is a laser beam, not a radar beam which is dependant
on dopler shift.

 

What are you on?

 

'safety', a term oft used, usually with intent to mislead,
interchangeably with 'taxation' by police commissioners,
police ministers and other parlamentarians primarily
occupied with matters of government revenue. Repeated
ad-nauseum without question by their underlings as apparrent
unquestionable justification for their activities.

See also 'policing'.

LOL! An excuse for everything. Never have I seen a group
so infinitely lazy and so highly skilled at escaping effort
as our nation's finest!


G

 

You may be right Spooky. I for one appreciate what you're doing.
With the new adr83 for noise starting next month will we see roadside
equipment to flush out the vehicles (in particular those horrid
american 2 wheeled things) that openly flout the rules.
I can't see why anyone has a right to make so much noise that i can't
hear my TV when they go past.

For a very plain website try
http://ii.net/~farmerjim/

 

Show me where there's not. Bet you can't.

No point trying to teach a pig to dance is, I think,
the phrase. Dougle meaning on 'pig' not intended (but
probably interpreted).

Good, my efforts are working then.


G

 

Never said that he didn't. *Did* say that you conveniently
ignored the fact to push your own 'intruiging' line of
argument though.


G

 

Wrong. Completely similar concept. The 'lidar' is
just a shift in frequency of a few orders of magnitude.

G

 

Yes. Combined Police, EPA, RTA perations are already in the pipeline.

 

Spooky wrote:

(snip)

So a bicycle is not a bicycle unless the rider is 12 years or older?

I mention this because the ARR state a rider is not allowed to ride a bicycle
on a footpath, unless said rider is under 12 years old, or, is over 12 AND also
supervising beforementioned under-12 rider who is also riding on said footpath.

This part is clear, at least within the ARR. A bicycle IS a bicycle. There
is no mention of any type of a vehicle changing its definition depending on who
is riding (or driving) it.
This is also backed up by the occasional media coverage of people being
booked for DUI, while their car is parked. In that case, a "motor vehicle" is
still very much a "motor vehicle", and the intoxicated occupant (I'm assuming
sitting in the driver's seat) is still the "driver". The status of the vehicle
(running, parked etc) or the location of the keys (in key recepticle, in glove
box, under tyres etc) appears to be irrelevant in these cases at least.

The most vague bit is about the motorised wheelchair. Does that mean that a
motorised wheelchair capable of no more than 10Km/h is not legally defined as a
"vehicle", yet any other motorised vehicle is, regardless of its legal
'wheelchair' definition or top speed?

Dick Smith Electronics appears to know a clear legal difference between the
two, especially with regard to SA and the NT not allowing these things without
permits, and the explicit mention of the 10Km/h top speed of the things in
their advertising.

I'm not saying that DSE is legally correct, they may very well have made an
error. I'm pointing out the vague definintions that *might* be used at
discrection of the officer.

Are they legal or not? If not, why hasn't there been any mention of people
being booked for riding a motorised scooter? Or does this come under the
"discretion of the officer"?

I'm not supporting the stupid scooter things, I hate them. I'm just
questioning the definition (or lack thereof) of the things. I understand the
rulings need to be vague to some degree, to allow for vehicle types that have
not yet been invented, but they could have covered themselves clearly with
"other motorised vehicle" or perhaps broadening the definition of "motor vehicle".

I find it interesting that bicycles, are capable of going much faster than
most of these motorised vehicles, yet, bicycles are very much legal on stated
paths and the road without registration. (of which I'm pleased about, being a
rider myself)

 

That is in close to the function of the ARR; providing guidelines
for individual State and Territory legislation. It's a 'treaty' of
sorts to harmonize Traffic Acts and Regulations throughout the
country.

The 200W rule appears in ARR (AFAICT) only in reference to bicycles
with supplementary drives.

The speed rule would be State/Territory legislation; which is the
law.

The "wheeled toy" requirement doesn't say anything about power
source... merely the age of the operator.

The devices fall within both 'motor vehicle' and 'wheeled toy'
definitions according to ARR.

Again, this is hardly relevant as there's no State that has a
Traffic Act making the ARR verbatim law.

Rob is apparently taking a shortcut; assuming that all that's in NSW
Traffic Act and Regulations is in ARR.