A Day in court...

The headers were mistakenly put in and he edited the ad accordingly.
He meant to say the pies are a full system from the headers onwards
elimnating the cat.
The s has derestricted headers so no need for them to be replaced.
Hope they will be easy to fit.
Thanks again

 

Yeah wot 'e said.

Similarly to the 730 report on road rage the other night - the "victim"
interviewed freely admitted cutting off another car and nearly causing a
prang yet felt totally hard done by when the other driver got pissed off.

I personally think the root cause of most road rage is extremely poor
manners, and Sydney Siders are probably the rudest in Oz. When people
start getting slapping with dangerous driving fines for running up the
left lane and shoving in when it ends, or changing lanes over the top of
people, then I bet the rate of road rage drops dramatically.

JL

 

Yeah wot 'e said.

Similarly to the 730 report on road rage the other night - the "victim"
interviewed freely admitted cutting off another car and nearly causing a
prang yet felt totally hard done by when the other driver got pissed off.

I personally think the root cause of most road rage is extremely poor
manners, and Sydney Siders are probably the rudest in Oz. When people
start getting slapping with dangerous driving fines for running up the
left lane and shoving in when it ends, or changing lanes over the top of
people, then I bet the rate of road rage drops dramatically.

JL

 

And then perhaps we will have fewer Motorcyclists being killed by careless
arrogant cage drivers.

Boxer

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:14:43 +1100

Pissed off is one thing.

Acting on it is another, and *as bad* as the original behaviour.

"But mummy, he did it first" is not adult behaviour, and you are
supposed to be an adult to get a licence eh?

There's no right to a licence, there's no right of way. You don't get
to throw a wobbly because someone was rude to you, adults are supposed
to have grown out of that....

Sure, the bods being rude are indeed rude. That doesn't give anyone the
"right" to be rude back, especially if it involves violent behavior.

Both parties have to learn to be polite...

I'd like to see a lot more active policing of rude behaviour on the road,
which includes the people who can't cope with what *they* see as rude
behaviour and get all aggro about it.

Zebee

 

Sorry, wrong planet.

 

At this point I would like to distinguish "rude" from "dangerous"

Someone wants to nose in in front of me in stop start traffic, they get
my contempt, but when they do something that endangers me[1] they get my
anger.

Moike

[1] Insert usual disclaimer about how it's my responsibility to expect
idiots to do stupid things, and how assuming others will follow the
rules just puts me in unnecessary danger. I reserve the right to get
angry when someone (for instance) pulls out of a side road right in
front of me without looking. The fact that I might have seen them and
been prepared for it, doesn't make it any less of a dangerously reckless
act.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:08:20 GMT

Sure. Be as angry as you like.

The minute you *act* on it, that's when you are the exact same rude
endangering bastard the other bod was.

Zebee

 

You are wrong.

When someone tries to kill you an agressive reaction may not be
'polite' but it is definitely justified.

 

Treat others as you would want them to treat you. Drive courteously and
I'll treat you courteously, if they treat you like shit, they must want to
be treated like shit too.

Al

 

Thanks Moike

Regards
Susan

 

Agreed. I try to do the same (and often let people in when they've
dumbly got themselves stuck), and will block people out who are being
arseholes. Most people do. The general population does try to enforce
good manners, it's also why Prof Stevenson's flippant offhand comment
about a "sorry" signal got such an enthusiastic response, most people
aren't deliberate idiots.

What is needed are more cops on the road fixated on the things that
CAUSE accidents rather than raising revenue via speeding tickets.

A bit of blue uniformed ounselling about erratic,rude and stupid driving
would do more to reduce the young accident rate and road rage levels
than just about anything.

Won't happen though, it'd cost money.

JL

 

No, depending on *how* I act on it, I might be confronting, I might be
alarming, I might beven be rude (may god have mercy on my soul). I'm
not endangering anyone. And my actions are certainly *not* exactly the
same as the dangerous recklessness of the object of my ill-feeling.

I'm old enough to not be terribly concerned about political correctness.
I'm mature enough to be able to maintain my self control.
I'm human enough to express my anger.

I'm comfortable with that.

Moike

 

I agree that an aggressive DEFENSIVE action is (or can be) justified.
Waiting until the danger/threat is over and pulling on your handbrake,
walking back to the other vehicle and THEN being aggressive isn't.
Clem

 

Well it wouldn't actually COST any more...
It wouldn't be nearly as revenue-positive though!
Clem

 

Every so often, you'll find yourself backed into a corner
by some old bastard with a beer or two in him who will
tell you that when he was a boy, the coppers would corner
you, slap you upside the head, kick your arse, tell you
what a right twat you were, and send you on your way. And
you learned from it and what's more, you done learned good!


(AND WE WERE GLAD OF IT!!!)

Now-a-days the whole protective-parent thing has run so
far that if a cop dares to look sideways at our kiddies,
instead of thanking him for his time and his counsel, we're
looking for ways to poke bigger holes in his chickenwire
canoe.


It's all fuckin' wrong I tell ya!

If there was a way to tax it, the gummint'd be right
on it, mark my words!


G

 

Me, I ride like a twat. No, wait... on topic. What you
say is entirely right Zebee, except that folks these days
are such accomplished liars (and self-convincers) that
it wouldn't work in the slightest.

( Think "Australia, sunset, ostriches" or "Australian's
all eat ostriches"... you go through the motions, say the
words, but they're meaningless)

Hang about in your choice of non-strayun communities for
a while, and look at the attitude folks have to Austrlalian
citizenship. They'll swear allegiance on their Mother's grave
(even if she ain't dead yet) if that's what it takes to get
the ticket-to-ride in the land of milk-n-honey. Doesn't mean
shit though.


On the other hand, steal from hollywood a bit, and assign
'Judges' who get to run about and hand out staggering fines
and points for "being a twat" - in real life I guess that
the Singaporean thing is the best example - and methinks
you'll have a whole new (polite) ball game.


Random thoughts,


G

 

What he said!

G

 

I guess you get to see more of it than the average
bear.


G, (gonna be one of them teachers next year!)

 

Nah. What that Zebee bloke said. He's right methinks.

G