A Day in court...

There are no quotas. If at any time, I'm ever told to go out and
get 'X' amount of infringements for a shift, I'll make a public
outcry, starting with this newsgroup. That's a promise.

Thankfully I've never needed to. However, with hearings such
as PIC or any other internal Police inquiry, they do not have to
prove what they alledge. All they have to find is that it is
beyond the balance of probabilities that you did what is alleged.
So, I doubt it would be that hard to get a conviction.

Spooky

 

Hang on a minute, we don't have to hardly lift a finger to
check your speed with radar. There's no "gun", the radar
antenna is permanently mounted on the outside of the car.
All we have to do is push a button on the remote control.
Ok, so we do have to lift a finger, but only with enough
exertion to push a bloody button on a remote control,
which is usually siiting in our lap anyway.

It can't happen. The locked on speed on the radar does
not stay there indeffinately. It lasts about as long as it takes to
write out an infringement notice, then it clears automatically
from the radar display.

Spooky

 

I'm sure there is that, but the whole aim of the palaver that goes on
in courts is to terrify the punter, who should be in awe of the power
of the place. I've actually got a lot of respect for our courts, but
I've never been so scared than waiting to appear before a beak.
Terrifying, and I never want to do it again, but I imagine will.

 

Yeah, it takes the wind out of the other bugger's sails, fair go!

 

What scares me is you are officially an officer of the court.

I'm sorry, but yes they do have to prove it, beyond reasonable doubt,
it's a criminal offence that a cop will be charged with if investigated
for corruption, not a civil one.

No, that level of proof is for civil matters, and in the event the PIC
starts getting serious about one of your compadres, it won't be a charge
of libel they'll be levelling.

You can doubt all you like, but the facts are that it's bloody hard to
convict a copper for corruption, it's actually usually easier to get
them for fraud or extortion or similar - ask Roger Rogerson, they took
years to actually nail him for corruption, check the newspaper's
archives for what they actually nailed him for first.

JL
(I used to know a guy in the PIC, went to Uni with him, really nice guy)

 

Only if you want to maintain a constant power

Again, only if you want to maintain constant power.

 

We were'nt talking about a criminal charge!!! We (Or I anyway)
were talking about a Police allegation of corruption, which i assumed
you meant was an internal complaint. Of course, any offence dealt
with as a criminal matter needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
I was pointing out that being charged (internally) does not require
the same proofs that are required in a criminal court. The Police
Service Act states that an allegation found beyond the balance of
probabilities will suffice in action being taken against the officer.

I think I've explained above.......


Spooky

 

Well, yes it is. In other words, with the higher voltage, you don't
NEED the same size electrics, to get the same power, but if you do
maintain the same size electrics you can get more power, if that is
what you want. What I tried to say (however badly) was that the higher
the voltage, the lower the current, and therefore the smaller the
components need to be for a particular power output.

 

And it's still only fixed, but fixed at a higher output.

Whatever you do, the max power output is fixed.

....are mods

Still doesn't give it a flexible top power output like an electric
motor.

I'm sure you are right

But still not with a flexible top end.

 

Damn, mine was about 6 months ago.

Cool, is it like Cops?

 

Lol....I suppose. It's only my intention to give
you guys an idea of how it works.

Spooky

 

It demonstrates dishonesty.

 

My misteak; I forgot you guys in NSW no longer use hand-held
microwave Doppler-shift measurement units.

Which eqt? Is there an online manual?

IIRC, the units display a "moving average" of rescaled
Doppler-shifts over the past second or so under constant
illumination and take up to 3 seconds to get a reading on
"instantaneous".

 

"Spooky" <spooky24042.net.au...

Last Tuesday - about 12 years back..

Spooky, I am of the old legal school, I do not give credibility to Senior
Counsel, I do however have respect for 'QC'. It's these republicans I tell
you

Looney left inspired legal reform is always opposed by me in person, and I
let those pushing the agenda know it!

Yet to meet a legal leftie 'of that change ilk' who'd do pro bono work for
the deserving....

No, I'll not change readily and if a magistrate attempts to say otherwise,
she'll know it...

(Visit me in prison will you?

R JP

 

If you get caught picking me up in the red light district, you will.
sylvia

 

We have never used hand held radar units. We do use the Lidar,
which is hand held.

3 Seconds???????? No way, it takes the blink of an eye.

Spooky

 

Well; "Australian Road Rules"
ISBN 0 7240 8874 1
As approved by the
Australian Transport Council
Published by the National Road Transport Commission

We're talking about the same thing, right?

Let's start reading it from the beginning, starting with the
preface:

Legal status of the Rules

Readers of the Australian Road Rules must determine the
extent to which the Australian Road Rules have the force of
law in the States and Territories of Australia by examining
the laws of each State and Territory on the subject. In the
absence of any such law, the Australian Road Rules
reproduced in this publication have no legal effect in a
State or Territory.

i.e. The ARR's aren't the law; the implementing legislation of each
particular aspect in each sovereign State/Territory, if any, is the
law.

Anyway:
Division 2, Section 15

What is a vehicle
A vehicle includes:

...

but does not include another kind of wheelchair, a train, or
a wheeled recreational device or wheeled toy.

Perhaps you can point out which section of ARR defines toys as
registerable vehicles. I can't even find a definition of
"registerable vehicle" in the ARR, but it's late. Can you point it
out, please?

 

Plenty of time, really - to bounce the stop pedal
Which is interesting in terms of the QLD police new Radar that somehow
manage to discriminate a target somewhere near 1000 metres, and this
devise seems to be claimed to lessen that time somewhat.

Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing for the police to use these at that
range correctly.
Like, that semi trailer behind the car they're aiming the device at
somewhere out there through the windscreen. Does it have a better RCS
thasn the car?
Anyhowe, how is this new stuff done - is the range of these things
dependant on the 'speed' Radar beam too-ing and fro-ing? Could faster
electronics make all that much difference?
Somehow I get the impression that the idea of the recent 'infomercial'
story in the Sunday Rag here is to bullshit us all clean up the wall.
As usual.

 

Are you sure all commissions have to prove things to the normal
standard of criminal proof? I'm not sure. I thought there were a
number of exceptions. There are things now where the onus of proof is
on the accused.

For instance, the tax office can deem you to have earned $1,000,000
and you must prove you didn't in order not to go to jail for
nonpayment of tax.
Some bodies have horrendously draconian powers.

The problem I would see is that most coppers realise that the easiest
way to nail folks is to harrass a confession out of them. All most
folks have to do to get out of most accusations is to shut the ****
up, but most folk can't keep their pie holes closed.

 

Nope, you wouldnt even have time think about
getting your foot off the accelerator. It is instantaneous.
Typical that I was picked up on the use of "instantaneous".
It's no different from flicking the light switch and then seeing
the light come on.

Spooky