A new Meme?

As Bear doesn't want to resurrect the YTC perhaps we need a replacement.

How about DAL. Doing a Langham. Seems he was caught out through Operation
Ore. He put his own CC details in a website offering kiddie porn. Now it
doesn't get much more fucking stupid than that, does it children?

On reflection lets not bother, none of us could ever Ace that particular act
of fuckwittery.

*snigger*

<wanders off shaking head>

 

<posts from google>

Oh look, the Cheesy server hold back posts mentioning Kiddie Porn.
The first one got through, eventually, must be a Mod lurking.

Yes it is outrageous indeed.

 

Besides, what he actually did was **** up the "Townsend Defence" ("it
was research guv") before trying the "It happened to me when I was a
kid Defence".

I particularly liked his post-trial statement. He's obviously learnt a
lot from being in The Thick of It.

 

Try telling a lawyer that. Kerching.

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That was also's Townsend's defence. Or, rather, "I think it happened to
me but I'm not sure, so I was looking at some kiddie porn to see if it
rang any bells."

 

Oh aye, not arguing that.

Langham's still a twat.

 

Given all that, why did he accept a caution? I'd have told Plod to get
stuffed.

 

I imagine even "research" into it has to be demonised. If we don't make it
the bogeyman people might look up momentarily and notice something real that
matters.

FWIW I had a quick scan on the net yesterday, I didn't go joining any chat
rooms mind. In 20 mins looking I didn't find any real kiddie porn. So www
has been pretty sanitised and the media hysteria is just that.
I don't use a binaries swerver or currently any P2P but perhaps it's all
lurking in there, or rather hooks to private data servers get promoted.

 

If I go jacking up on smack, with a second person, for "research"
purposes, I'm still liable to be nailed for possession. Since when
was "research" a legitimate defence? Surely that's only one step up
from ignorance.

Most ISPs will be implementing the IWF Watch List (not that any such
thing exists, of course) so genuine kiddie porn sites will generally
fail to load for most users in the UK. I have noticed that if you keep
following links for 'lolita' sites and their ilk, the girls do start
to look younger and younger until you start to wonder.

But I'd be absolutely astonished if there really was that much around.
What there is, will almost certainly have been forced underground by
now, and if the operators aren't covering their tracks as best they
can, they're not just nonces they're stupid nonces.

 

Because, though he might have had a valid reason/defence, he did
committ an offence so there has to be some outcome.

 

If a defence is valid, then no offence has been committed, YTC.

 

No - the offence was committed, the mitigation in defence was
accepted so a remedy has to be found, which in this case was the
caution.

 

Yeah, fair enough, but let's not get caught up in semantics over
mitigation/valid defence (LITSTPRU). The offence is absolute - he did
knowingly download child porn so there had to be an outcome.

 

That's mitigating circumstances, which is different from a valid
defence.

Please trust me on this.

 

Quite. No doubt there is some official waiver obtainable for *legal*
research.

 

I didn't actually know it was an absolute offence.

 

I know someone in Customs who had to view files for content, so yes
there are certainly exceptions. I'd imagine "research" would have
more rigourous requirements though.

 

Yes, Andy has explained it is an absolute offence, which I didn't know.

However, the fact remains that if one presents a valid (that is,
accepted by a jury, which is the only real test of validity here)
defence to a criminal accusation, then no offence has been committed.

 

Well, yes. One assumes that coppers who hunt for KP offenders on the net
have some form of exemption.

 

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 13:17:48 +0100,

And I don't suppose any of them enjoy it at all. The searching, at
least, even if not the finding.

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