A Small Rant About Stunt Vid Makers

A Small Rant

Not sure if this really applies in the US, but as there's a lot of other
nationalities here, too, it's still relevant...

I've just spent the last five hours or so doing the final edit on a vid
for Streetfighters' magazine (don't panic if you've seen the other five
- we had absolutely nothing to do with those. This one's actually worth
watching) where I've been removing all of the rider's number plates so
that identifying them's not easy if Officer Dibble decides he's not
happy with their attitude towards the laws of the Queen's Highways

Now, those of you who edit will know that, although this isn't hard, it
is somewhat time consuming. Which brings me to the point of this...

In the UK there's a couple of people who make 'Judgement Day' style
videos - and what I mean by that is that the vid's a compilation of
different riders, teams and events rather than it being about a single
crew. The people who make the vids say they're supporting the scene by
publicising it. As these people are not actually capable of pulling
stunts themselves (unless a static burnout counts, which I don't think
it does), they rely on rider's good will to allow themselves to be
filmed. Indeed, at least one of these vid makers goes seriously out of
his way to antagonise riders into stunting for him - almost exclusively
on public roads, such as outside the Ace Cafe, the vid for which I
posted a couple of weeks ago.

Now in the UK, stunting on public roads is a serious offence that can,
and often does, result in real jail time. It's not a simple bollocking
offence but something far more serious that can result in you losing
your licence, job and even liberty - yet these so-called 'supporters' of
the freestyle road riding scene are more than happy to make cash off the
backs of these riders without bothering to take the simplest of steps to
make identifying them as hard as possible for the enforcers of the law.

If you're making a film about you and your mates and you don't mask
anyone's identity then that's up to you and your mates. If you're
filming people you don't really know, OTOH, then you either edit the
footage in such a way as to make them unidentifiable, or you tell them
that for technical reasons you can't hide their reg. plates etc. and ask
if they're still willing to be filmed - exactly what we had to do two
years ago with our very first vid. We simply didn't have the technology
to mask people's faces or reg. plates, which resulted in us losing the
opportunity to film a couple of the very best riders.

Basically, the whole point of this is simple: If someone's making money
by filming stunting in general, yet they don't show the slightest
consideration for the people they're filming, then do they deserve to
get their slimy hands on your money? If it's someone's first or even
second vid, then you may feel they deserve the benefit of the doubt - a
worthy, and righteous attitude - but after that there are no excuses,
absolutely none!

If these people can't be bothered to show the slightest damn respect or
consideration for the riders, then don't give them anything either -
especially your money!

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Veggie Dave
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Put Out The Lights On The Age Of Reason

 

Can you tell this was a 'cut and paste' post?

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All yours are, aren't they

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bollocks - it was definitely a "don't buy their videos, buy mine"
thinly-disguised fucking spam.

 

Don't buy whose videos?

And we can only sell the SF video to non-UK residents, so no point
advertising it here...

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Veggie Dave
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Put Out The Lights On The Age Of Reason

 

I actually agree with everything you've just said. I must admit it
worries me a bit pulling wheelies on the motorway.
I am going to put some Velcro on my number plate so I can cover it up.
Just in case.

 

Veggie Meldrew had a fit and wibbled.....

I was using an old AGV helmet bag with a drawstring and clip when I
parked my bike on the pavement outside HG in Harrow. It did the job
nicely.

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"...and if they can't be bothered to do a simple bit of editing,
then..." <g>

 

Why hide reg. plates..?

http://webpages.charter.net/madredr1/27news.wmv

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Veggie Dave
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Extreme Racing http://www.veggie-dave.co.uk
Put Out The Lights On The Age Of Reason

 

[snip]


The person on the bike being filmed "stunting" is *most likely* an adult
and by that measure is responsible for their actions, they don't have to
do it. If they break the law of the land and are prosecuted as a
result of their actions then so be it and as we live in a democracy
which promotes capitalism if someone makes money *other than the law* as
a result then good on them.

 

Is it my video software, or are the two presenters a fetching shade of blue
in that video?

 

*splutter*

Hang on a cotton-pickin' mo there, buddy!

If the person recording the action is instrumental in, nay pretty much
solely responsible for, the prosecution being brought and being
successful, then they've just "bitten the hand that feeds them";
specifically they've just put away the rider who might well have been
a most likely subject for future videos.

True, there are other riders, but I for one enjoy watching someone
riding a bike *under full control* in these ways. If videos of the
action started leading to people being put away, we'd all suffer - not
just the riders but those making their money "on the side" by selling
their own videos and those getting enjoyment from watching the skill,
too.

 

[snip]


Exactly what I said, so if they don't want to be prosecuted they don't
have to do it. They can also take responsibility for concealing their
identity should they wish to perform for the crowds i.e black visor,
illegible plate etc.

Or is that part of the risk as well?

^^^^^^^^^^
[snip]


If you could prove that claim then you would have grounds for changing the law.

 

Are you calling me a ......?

Well that would be both the rider and the recorders problem then sort of
like environmental selective pressure.

There was a post about a month ago by Bear which had a link to a mpg of
a group of "stunters" supposedly *riding under full control*. I do
remember seeing a bike which was quite obviously not *under full
control* being lobbed into the crowd with the rider running after it.


I dont have a problem with people who want to watch a motorcycle being
wheelied, stoppied, rolling burn-outs etc. TBH IMO it gets boring very
quickly, there are only so many ways you can wheelie, stoppie etc.

What I don't get is the big deal about doing it on the road instead of
somewhere the rider will not be prosecuted and will not put others at risk.

 

Hey! no-one ever said that Iraq 100% definately had WOMD or that speed
cameras were safe.

On the subject of speed cameras though it is fun getting them to flash
when going the opposite way which is a bonus, specially if there is a
cage on the other side of the road at the time.

 

Hey! no-one ever said that Iraq 100% definately had WOMD or that speed
cameras were safe.

On the subject of speed cameras though it is fun getting them to flash
when going the opposite way which is a bonus, specially if there is a
cage on the other side of the road at the time.

 

I think you well know it doesn't work that way. The word 'democracy' is
quite a big misnomer, IMHO. Take speed cameras as an example of how
mass opinion completely fails to affect law, or Iraq to see how it
effects our govt's actions.

--
John

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Black it is
and naked

 

I think you missed my point, which was that the gov't presses ahead with
whatever it likes despite public opinion. This is not my idea of democracy.

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John

SV650
Black it is
and naked

 

The 'democracy' we have isn't the government does what the majority
wants. It's the government is elected [1] and act in the best interests
of the population, in the executive body of the controlling party's
opinion [2].

If the party had stated in its manifesto that it would, say, create a
safer transport system [3] and control public expenditure. They are
complying with that pledge by introducing/expanding measures to reduce
and control road traffic speeds whilst freeing up existing police
resources to catch 'proper' criminals.


[1] the method of which is open to scrutiny
[2] the executive takes many forms in many parties and is open to
influence in many ways.
[3] All three, major, parties have said this, but they're not likely to
say "lets make transport more dangerous!". Although, arguably, their
actions have.

 

But, the party elected isn't even representative of the majority. We
are forced to elect a party for *all* of it's policies and not just
some. There is no way of saying " yes, I'll vote for that, but I don't
want that bit"

I think this is a major flaw in the party system - you have to vote for
a whole package. I don't have a good alternative suggestion, however.


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John

SV650
Black it is
and naked