ABS on bikes, your views please

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Lozzo, Jan 22, 2009.

  1. Lozzo

    Lozzo Guest

    Me and my mate Carl have been having a discussion about the merits of
    ABS on bikes, and neither of us can reach a firm decision as to whether
    or not we would order up a new bike with ABS if it was an option.

    My view is that I personally haven't ever felt I needed it, but if I
    was buying a new bike I'd probably order it with ABS as it makes the
    bike more attractive when it comes to resale time. I was using the
    SV650 as an example, saying a new rider would feel better about having
    a bike with ABS and would be more likely to buy one with it rather than
    one without.

    Carl is big into his sportsbikes, Kawasakis in particular, and says
    he's unlikely to ever have it because he thinks it takes a bit of
    control away from the rider, but he can see my point of view when it
    comes to something like the new SV650s.

    Your views?

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    Lozzo
    SV650S K5, ZX-7R P4, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project
    SpazzCaffer
    I see a bright new future, where chickens can cross the road with no
    fear of having their motives questioned
     
    Lozzo, Jan 22, 2009
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    M J Carley Guest

    It will eventually pack in for no known reason and mean you either
    fail the MOT or spend a fortune getting it fixed.
     
    M J Carley, Jan 22, 2009
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  3. Lozzo

    wessie Guest

    there's a thread from 2001. OP is by darsy when he had an ABS equipped
    bike. My view remains unchanged. The ABS packed up about 2 years ago
    and I haven't felt the need to get it fixed.

    http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk...1?lnk=gst&q=darsy+wessie+ABS#d9fabc38c86d2501
    or http://tinyurl.com/ABS-UKRM
     
    wessie, Jan 22, 2009
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  4. Lozzo

    Lozzo Guest

    It's a BMW, what else would you expect of the world's most reliable and
    technologically advance dumper-truck engined motorcycle. It's half a VW
    Beetle engine slung underneath a bit of Jew killing shower pipe and you
    expect the ABS to work? Madness!
    That was 8 years ago, some developments have been made in engineering
    such systems into bikes since then... unless you own a BMW

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    Lozzo
    SV650S K5, ZX-7R P4, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project
    SpazzCaffer
    I see a bright new future, where chickens can cross the road with no
    fear of having their motives questioned
     
    Lozzo, Jan 22, 2009
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  5. Lozzo

    wessie Guest

    my bike has passed 3 MOTs with non-functioning ABS. There is no
    requirement to test it and it would not be possible to do so without a
    road test or a rolling road that can spin both wheels simultaneously.
    The ABS warning light will not go out until the bike has passed a self
    test. This test is done when you pull away from a standstill.
     
    wessie, Jan 22, 2009
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  6. Lozzo

    Lozzo Guest

    Surely it's easier to pull the ABS bulb and sensors off the bike?

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    Lozzo
    SV650S K5, ZX-7R P4, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project
    SpazzCaffer
    I see a bright new future, where chickens can cross the road with no
    fear of having their motives questioned
     
    Lozzo, Jan 22, 2009
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  7. I think it's like ABS on cars - 99% of the time you won't see it, feel
    it or use it, but the one time you really need it, you'll be bloody
    glad you had it.

    I've never had it cut in on my Beemer. Not yet. But one foul night,
    I'll be coming round a corner and just ahead the road will be blocked
    by something and there'll be half an inch of slippery leaf mould on
    the tarmac and my instinctive reaction will be to grab everything.
     
    [email protected], Jan 22, 2009
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  8. Lozzo

    wessie Guest

    No. Riding it and ignoring the red flashy light is the easiest option
    I've found. 2nd easiest would be gaffer tape.
     
    wessie, Jan 22, 2009
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    M J Carley Guest

    Depends on the bike.

    The examiner will:

    * Check ABS warning lights, where fitted

    http://www.motuk.com/Motorcycle MOT.asp

    If the ABS light is flashing or does not go out when it should, the
    bike fails.
     
    M J Carley, Jan 22, 2009
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    Jeremy Guest

    Is the "they" the manufacturers or the punters? ABS is an option on the
    2009 Fireblade.
     
    Jeremy, Jan 22, 2009
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  11. So there I was last week a-pootling along in traffic at only 25mph or so in
    the cold and wet and I had occasion to slow down a touch. A squeeze on the
    front revealed a soaking wet front brake not doing very much. No probs, I'll
    give it a bit of lever action to dry it out. Too much lever action, in fact,
    as the front wheel suddenly locked and slid sideways 4" or so. A swift kick
    at the approaching ground had me back up in the desired orientation and I
    carried on. My first thought was that I was quite thankful not to have
    become the FBOTY! ABS wouldn't have hurt, I think.
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Jan 22, 2009
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  12. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Lozzo
    Having it on the GTR, I decided to test it.

    It took a *lot* of nerving myself to give it full welly on the front.
    And ***** me*, but it stopped quickly.

    I was reminded if teh bike magazine test a few years back where they
    showed that novices can stop quicker than old hands, because the old
    hands have all *had* a front wheel let go, thank you very much, and
    don't want it again.

    In short, I have no objection to it, and it might haul my arse out of
    grief one day.

    All this "taking control away" nonsense is just that for 99.9% of
    riders. If you've locked the wheel, you've lost control. End of.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jan 22, 2009
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  13. Lozzo

    Tim Guest

    Having had occasion to nearly need new trousers I can appreciate the
    usefulness of ABS. Some cage ahead of me stopped very sharpish on the
    M25 one rush hour. I think I would have hit him and may have done so in
    a non-vertical orientation otherwise. However none of the current bikes
    in the stable have ABS, so I can't think it that important.
     
    Tim, Jan 22, 2009
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    I've not had the ABS come on yet on the Pan, but I have seen the
    traction control blink a few times when I certainly didn't feel
    anything spinning up.

    I agree with the other comments that there may be one day that I'll be
    glad I had it, but I would be surprised if it saved my bacon if I were
    leaning over at anything more than about 0.0001 degrees. ISTR seeing a
    long TOG thread on this.

    The downsides of it are the weight and the astronomical[1] spares cost.

    [1] I think the controller on the Pan is > a grand
     
    Simon Wilson, Jan 22, 2009
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  15. I never felt I rode my old FJ12 any where any of it's limits, ever.
    When I got the one with ABS it really surprised me the number of times I
    had the ABS going in turn on the wheels on hard braked in , power out
    corners. Plus the back on it's own when braking hard in a straight line.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Jan 22, 2009
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  16. I always change the brake fluid every year. Water in the fluid kills
    ABS.

    If you feel brave you can strip and rebuild an ABS for just the cost of
    the O rings which must be made of EPDM.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Jan 22, 2009
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  17. Lozzo

    Steve Parry Guest

    Is the right answer

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    Steve Parry
    BMW R80RS, BMW R45, 03 BMW R1100S Boxercup, 07 K1200GT SE
    95 BMW F650, 87 Yamaha FS1, Sukida SK90PY, 91 Kawasaki AR50,
    07 VW Passat SE Estate for comfort
    www.gwynfryn.co.uk
     
    Steve Parry, Jan 22, 2009
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    boots Guest

    get's the heart rate up a tad though? I reckon if ABS were an option
    I'd choose it because it's the panic breaking situation where it's
    needed.
     
    boots, Jan 22, 2009
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  19. Lozzo

    Steve Parry Guest

    The accident Hayley and I had on the ZX12R would have, I'm absolutely sure,
    wouldn't have happened if we'd been on the K12GT.

    In an OMG situation you're having to be careful not to over brake so are
    keeping some of the full braking force away, with the ABS it's just squeeze
    as hard as humanly possible etc.

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    Steve Parry
    BMW R80RS, BMW R45, 03 BMW R1100S Boxercup, 07 K1200GT SE
    95 BMW F650, 87 Yamaha FS1, Sukida SK90PY, 91 Kawasaki AR50,
    07 VW Passat SE Estate for comfort
    www.gwynfryn.co.uk
     
    Steve Parry, Jan 22, 2009
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  20. Lozzo

    Steve Parry Guest

    I've also had the traction come on, in particular when winding it on going
    over rises, just as the front end goes light the traction kicks in and stops
    the front end coming up :)

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    Steve Parry
    BMW R80RS, BMW R45, 03 BMW R1100S Boxercup, 07 K1200GT SE
    95 BMW F650, 87 Yamaha FS1, Sukida SK90PY, 91 Kawasaki AR50,
    07 VW Passat SE Estate for comfort
    www.gwynfryn.co.uk
     
    Steve Parry, Jan 22, 2009
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