ABS woes

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:16:37 +1100

You missed a very important point.

When does a racer stop, at what speed, and in what distance will they
be required to do so?

(I'll ignore the beat your mates bit, your kink is OK...)


Zebee

 

That varies with the racing class and the track (and many other things).

*nods* declines to comment


G-S

 

Well, the general principle that unlinked brakes > linked brakes may
indeed apply, but I was talking about the feasibility of delinking the
brakes on his particular model of motorcycle, so I don't know why you've
jumped back from talking about this bike specifics to talking about
general principles.

I'm sure it's because people can't react to the onset of loss of
traction as quickly as a microprocessor can.

Did you really mean to type that you chose _not_ to have it fitted?
I have a 270kw car with traction control and I just press the little
button to turn it off if I want to. It's not _that_ difficult.

But you do mind, or else you wouldn't consistently respond to posts in
the same way that you posted to the OP - I hate to say it - but with a
biggus or Hatz sort of consistency.

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

Tell us again how you opted against traction control on your car, while
Formula One teams spend millions of dollars implementing traction
control on their cars? Obviously they don't trust their drivers to
manage loss of traction... maybe you should apply for a job!

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

You don't believe in extending the general to the specific then?

The microprocessor isn't the limiting factor, it's the servos/hydraulics
that act for it.

Yes I meant that... it's a deletable option, I deleted it.

That doesn't mean I 'mind', it just means I'm lobbying a particular
viewpoint.

'Mind' implies an emotional state of mind that isn't the case.

I have an intellectual objection to linked brakes not an emotional one


G-S

 

I was actually waiting for that

F1 is a special case. They have limited tyre and downforce to such an
extent that the computers do work better. If the F1 designers were able
to increase downforce and tyre size to the degree that the power/weight
of the design warrants then they wouldn't need it.

That is to say, traction control is being used as a de facto way of
getting around the artificial design restraints.


G-S

 

The brakes on the bike in question are probably not feasibly delinkable.
I don't know why you don't address that instead of extending the
specific to the general.

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

Bullshit. You contradicted yourself and now you're backpedalling.

So you're saying that your 180kw front wheel drive production family car
has more traction & downforce and road holding ability than an F1 car.

Don't tell me. You knew I was going to say that...

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

Disable the electronic controller, replace the calipers with off the
shelf Brembo's and custom braided lines.

About a 4 hour job I'd estimate (seriously).


G-S

 

Now you're being silly, you *know* I not only never said that but that I
didn't even imply it.

As I did say F1 cars are a special case (which implies that my 180kw fwd
car is not), and since it is not it follows it's better off without
traction control.

Nope... I didn't expect the red herring you threw into the thread. But
then one seldom expects fish


G-S

 

The computer on this bike runs the brakes and engine managment, if you don't
like the linked brakes sell the bike.

Boxer

 

The "Electronic Controller" runs the engine as well, so you will not need
the brakes anyway.

Boxer

 

If it's anything like most 'black boxes' there will be separate outputs
for the engine and the brakes.

It should be trivial to clip the control lines to the brakes.


G-S

 

That's certainly a viable option as well


G-S

 

No not at all, my BMW mechanic assures me that a job like you suggest would
be very problimatic and really not worth the effort.

If you don't like the linked brakes sell the bike.

Boxer

 

As I mentioned in another post that's a good option too


G-S

 

The OP specifically ruled out buying another bike, so you're not being
very helpful.

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

I don't recall *ever* claiming to be 'helpful'!


G-S

 

It was not my intention to be helpful.

Boxer

 

Bloody Hell! Imagine how _safe_ it would be then.

regards,
CrazyCam