Affordable housing

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  1. Catman

    Catman Guest

    Correct

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    Catman, Jun 23, 2009
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    boots Guest

    Well they could certainly see that chip on your shoulder from orbit.
     
    boots, Jun 23, 2009
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  3. Catman

    Catman Guest

    Indeed. Sounds mad, but it makes the area look untidy IMHO as well.

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    Catman, Jun 23, 2009
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  4. Catman

    higgins@work Guest

    What actually happens is that some amateur BTL landlord buys it and
    fills it full of chavs.

    Do I sound bitter?
     
    higgins@work, Jun 23, 2009
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  5. Catman

    Doki Guest

    They're grotty townhouses.
    I suspect they tend to go to housing association.
    It's an odd one. People *seem* to like nice buildings, when shown round them
    and asked, as on that Alain De Botton documentary. They don't seem prepared
    to put their money down for one, or they don't get the chance to. I suspect
    with such a massive purchase as a house, people will tend towards being
    ultra conservative through terror of losing tens of thousands if it goes out
    of fashion / falls over due to non-trad construction. The other factor is
    definately supply - I've visited lots and lots of developments, ranging from
    the small to the massive, and developers simply will not build anything
    vaguely out of the ordinary, so the unwashed masses have no idea how nice a
    differently designed building can be.
     
    Doki, Jun 23, 2009
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  6. Catman

    ogden Guest

    A related point was raised recently during the Charlie boy vs Richard
    Rogers barney over the Chelsea Barracks development. While architects
    like Rogers are happy to design modernist buildings for other people to
    live him, he himself lives in a house, aiui, that wouldn't look entirely
    out of place in Poundbury.

    There's a real disconnect between the homes people could have and the
    homes people want. Personally, I'd happily take just about anything
    featured on Grand Designs.
     
    ogden, Jun 23, 2009
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  7. Catman

    CT Guest

    I'd have one of these like a shot if I had the money and the land.
    http://www.huf-haus.com/gb/intro.html
     
    CT, Jun 23, 2009
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  8. Catman

    ogden Guest

    ogden, Jun 23, 2009
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  9. Catman

    CT Guest

    Yep.
     
    CT, Jun 23, 2009
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  10. Catman

    Doki Guest

    Ah. Generally "affordable housing" gets sold to housing associations.
    However, more general calls for "affordable housing" generally mean someone
    providing houses that are affordable for people on an ordinary salary
    without a mortgage at a huge multiple of income. Which, IMO is never going
    to happen quickly - make houses people want to live in cheaply at any
    volume, and you'll start scaring the people who've lashed £200k on a fairly
    ordinary house. If you're the developer, you're going to be making less
    profit.

    It's not really in the interest of anyone who can provide affordable housing
    to do so - whether it's the developer (as a current example, there are many,
    many sites at the moment that have been procured by developers, all set to
    begin site investigation surveys etc. which are on hold until house prices
    rise again), or the Govt forcing them to, or by releasing more land for
    development and increasing supply that way. TBH this is one area that makes
    me veer horribly to the left. It doesn't seem sensible to me that something
    so vital to people's well being as housing should have supply manipulated in
    this way.
     
    Doki, Jun 23, 2009
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  11. Catman

    Adrian Guest

    Small problem. The cost of the actual building is tiny compared to the
    value of the plot of land.
     
    Adrian, Jun 23, 2009
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  12. Catman

    Ben Guest

    As the owner of an early 90s Bryant home I'm pretty fucking certain it
    wasn't built by craftsmen of any form.
     
    Ben, Jun 23, 2009
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  13. Catman

    Doki Guest

    Which comes down to more or less one thing. The government - firstly by
    restricting land supply through the planning process, and secondly by
    failing to either pull down sink estates or to actually enforce the law and
    invest in renovation and maintenance, so that people will live there again.
    There a vast tracts of well built housing in pretty much every major city in
    the UK that are mostly empty.
     
    Doki, Jun 23, 2009
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  14. Catman

    Adrian Guest

    But not hard enough.
    <shrug>
    With the sole (small and shrinking) exception of council accomodation,
    it's down to basic supply and demand. If there was a profit in
    refurbishing and selling/letting them, it would have been done by now. It
    hasn't. Why not?
     
    Adrian, Jun 23, 2009
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    ginge Guest

    It's not really custom built, they have a few standard specifications
    per site, and build multiples of the same type, there may be a small
    amount of customisation with regards carpets and tiling colurs, but
    that's not what I'd call custom building.
     
    ginge, Jun 23, 2009
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  16. Catman

    Adrian Guest

    For what kind of value of "some" years ago...?

    I s'pose there are socio-economic-geographic factors, too - but (round
    us, at least) there seems to be very little difference between the value
    of "a house" and "a building plot that happens to have a house on it
    already" - with the latter often fetching more.
     
    Adrian, Jun 23, 2009
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  17. Catman

    Adrian Guest

    A decade and a bit ago, before prices started going mad...
    I don't think the building cost would differ greatly now, but the plot
    certainly would.
    Umm, yes, exactly. A lot less.
    http://calculator.bcis.co.uk/
     
    Adrian, Jun 23, 2009
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  18. Catman

    Hog Guest

    HA!
    I know people in the Oirish pre cast concrete industry. Well one erm has
    to, doesn't one....

    Very nice advanced modular houses could be produced at amazingly
    affordable prices. Modular as in cavity insulated ready to drop in wire
    and pipes plus external decoration and windows. Govmint could put down
    large amounts of high quality spacious long lasting housing for around
    £25k a bedroom.

    But that would take knowledge, intelligence and imagination and the
    rejection of Vested Interests.

    Are we starting to understand the challenges?

    And you get a free Romany cast into every one.
     
    Hog, Jun 23, 2009
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  19. Catman

    boots Guest

    Not sure about tiny. I sold some land around 8 years ago for building,
    the land cost to the developer was around 30% of the final sale price
    of the houses. The cost to build was again round 30% leaving the
    developer with a 40% profit. Of course out of that came planning
    costs, taxes etc.
     
    boots, Jun 23, 2009
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  20. Catman

    Hog Guest

    £214k for the shell. I'm not surprised.
     
    Hog, Jun 23, 2009
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