[QUOTE="Grimly"] Agreed on all points, but then again, I was driving them as new cars (working in Chrysler dealership) and found the handling to be just like a larger Avenger. It was fairly planted, when hustling along. Time and wear takes it toll, of course.[/QUOTE] In this case, seven or eight years and 100k. As sloppy as a MKIII Cortina, with added body roll. Dead smooth on (straight) potholed roads, mind. [QUOTE] Istr the tappets had to be set hot, which was an uncomfortable and unpleasant job.[/QUOTE] I'd forgotten that. Bloody awful - but not as bad as the Viva, which required the engine to be running (!) while setting them. Using specially hardened feelers, obviously. And gritted teeth.