All ukrm-ers are now US criminals - official

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by The Older Gentleman, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. The Older Gentleman

    Ace Guest

    And on what evidence do you base this conclusion that it's passing?
    Seems to me that 'kids these days' have it a lot easier than we did,
    and the trend seems set to continue, AFAICT.


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    Ace, Jan 15, 2008
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  2. The Older Gentleman

    ogden Guest

    ....and probably weren't in the first place, either.

    Which generation is that then?
     
    ogden, Jan 15, 2008
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  3. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    No I think Grimly is about right. You have to add in that our western
    lifestyle has been run on cheap energy AND an enormous underprivileged 3rd
    world. Commodity price rises are being driven by a) speculators and b)
    China & India. If Africa ever gets its act together (unlikely) it will get
    even worse.
     
    Hog, Jan 15, 2008
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  4. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
    "Too cheap to meter" kind of thing?

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
    SBS#39 OMF#6 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
    Honda GL1000K2 (Fallen apart) Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single"
    Norton 850 Commando Kawasaki GTR1400
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jan 15, 2008
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  5. The Older Gentleman

    darsy Guest

    in the long run, it will, because at some point, someone's going to
    get commercial Fusion working. ITER's looking like a good start and
    the Indians have SST-1 under way.

    As an alternative to oil, for fuel-burning engines, I also reckon it's
    only a matter of time before some biotech firm patents a bacteria that
    can eat soil and shits alcohol.
     
    darsy, Jan 15, 2008
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  6. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    Do you guys know about the Alien incursion too then?
     
    Hog, Jan 15, 2008
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  7. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    I don't think Fusion will be a cheap form of energy. The running costs of
    the infrastructure are likely to be rather high. Also the Greens (and local
    residents) are going to run it down when they consider the consequences of a
    large scale reactor magnetic containment failure.
    Properly done, with good (modular) reactor design, a Fast Breeder cycle and
    simple deep repository waste disposal, fission power would be quite
    economical.
    The designs the govmint are being rail roaded into are not promising. It
    looks like basic PWR or PWR.

    Putting all the theoretical arguments aside it drives me scatty that British
    arguments on Nuclear power are not driven by looking 50 miles East to
    France.
    # over 75% of its electricity from nuclear energy.
    # world's largest net exporter of electricity due to low cost of
    generation, and gains over EUR3billion per year.
    # The lowest cost electricity in Europe.
    # Low level of CO2 emissions from electricity generation, 90% of electricity
    is nuclear or hydro.

    Here are some nice stats www.uic.com.au/nip28.htm
     
    Hog, Jan 15, 2008
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    Jérémy Guest

    If you're not 45-50 years old, you're an outlier here. Seems that way,
    anyway.
     
    Jérémy, Jan 15, 2008
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  9. The Older Gentleman

    Jérémy Guest

    Is this actually true? I had understood that the plasma would just fizzle
    out. The magnets aren't to keep the reaction in, they're to create the
    conditions where it can happen.
     
    Jérémy, Jan 15, 2008
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  10. The Older Gentleman

    Hog Guest

    Of course they keep it in. The plasma exists at temperatures far beyond the
    capabilities of any material containment. Failure of the magnetic field
    leads to damage of the liner material. Now Beryllium.

    The actual amount of plasma material available to be released might only be
    a few grammes but it contains Tritium. We must think of the children. What
    happens if an aeroplane crashes into the reactor. An earthquake even. No,
    the only safe solution is wind power, and Tepees, and horses.
     
    Hog, Jan 15, 2008
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  11. The Older Gentleman

    darsy Guest

    self maintaining and self-powered (sort of)
    where would the power come to run it? If the energy input wasn't
    higher than the energy released by burning the alcohol, you've just
    invented a perpetual motion machine and dis-proved the laws of
    thermodynamics.
     
    darsy, Jan 15, 2008
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  12. The Older Gentleman

    darsy Guest

    bollocks. I'd say the median age of ukrm posters is about 8 years
    lower than that.
     
    darsy, Jan 15, 2008
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  13. The Older Gentleman

    darsy Guest

    but these issues (and more) exist with Fission reactors + with Fusion
    you don't end up with a load of waste that needs to be dumped in
    Scarpa Flow^W^W^W^W safely contained for thousands of years[1], or
    stuff that can be made into thermonuclear weapons by the towel-heads.

    [1] personally, for nuclear waste, I can't see what's wrong with just
    firing it into the heart of the Sun.
     
    darsy, Jan 15, 2008
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  14. The Older Gentleman

    ogden Guest

    Where's "here" ?
     
    ogden, Jan 15, 2008
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  15. The Older Gentleman

    Eddie Guest

    Woo-hoo!
     
    Eddie, Jan 15, 2008
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  16. The Older Gentleman

    Jérémy Guest

    Duh. You're quite right.
     
    Jérémy, Jan 15, 2008
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  17. The Older Gentleman

    darsy Guest

    is it Breakfast time yet?
     
    darsy, Jan 15, 2008
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  18. The Older Gentleman

    Jérémy Guest

    Jérémy, Jan 15, 2008
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  19. Well, as we see a shift from burning oil to using it for sensible
    things, like chemical feedstock, we will also see a wholesale shift
    towards more electric/hydrogen/biofuel/whatever in our transport. I only
    hope the eventual substitute for petrol and diesel is still affordable
    for the majority of people.

    As far as usable energy goes, well there's only really one source anyway
    and it'd be utterly stupid to not develop our ability to harness it
    properly - so I agree with you; as economies of scale really kick in
    solar energy might get cheaper.

    And we might cure AIDS in Africa this Xmas.
    And we might be able to feed all the world.
    And we might support 15 or 20 billion people.

    Thank **** I'll be dead when the last happens.
    --
    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    "A scone and tea at half past three
    Makes the day a little brighter
    Keep your cakes and fancy tarts
    And stick them up your shiter."
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 15, 2008
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  20. Need cheap energy to get it there, and there's the rub.
    --
    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    "A scone and tea at half past three
    Makes the day a little brighter
    Keep your cakes and fancy tarts
    And stick them up your shiter."
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 15, 2008
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