And another takes a pass...

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35387

So one can assume this means Kawasaki won't be fielding a factory team
in ASB this year, which means at a factory team level it's Yamaha in,
Honda and Kawasaki out, and Suzuki still sitting on the fence. By
everything we've seen so far, the Suzuki possibilities probably range
from a full factory effort featuring Mladin, Hayden and Young to a
Suzuki-supported Yosh effort featuring Hayden and Young - and my
betting is leaning toward the latter.

No announcement here on Hacking, who has already signed a contract. So
does that mean negotiation has been reopened with him, perhaps out of
necessity (the contract perhaps being specific re ASB and not DSB), or
is he out and maybe Rapp or Davies is in, or they're looking further?

So we have Yamaha focusing on ASB, and Honda (Erion), Kawasaki
(Attack) and Suzuki (M4/EMGO) on DSB through contract teams, but
Pegram (Ducati), Jordan (Suzuki) and Corona (Honda) also in ASB and
Graves (Yamaha) in DSB. And now the second '08 SB factory rider with a
confirmed '09 AMA ride (DiSalvo was the first) - but neither in SB.

It just keeps getting worse...

 

Prolly depends on whether Mat wants to, or not. My guess? Prolly not,
but who knows, maybe he wants to buy another plane, or something..

No ASB for the Hackster means less(bling for Rachel)money, hence
renegotiation..

Worse? Trust me on this, it can get a whole hell of a lot worse, as in
nothing at all and if something on the financial front doesn't change
fairly soon that's probably what we'll be looking at. As critical and
confused as things look today I'd imagine the period after DIS will be
even more so...

 

What particular universe do you live in? It *is* the economy, at least
in my world and by the way, it has been for well over a year now,
that's why I asked many months ago how the lack of dollars may, or may
not play into DMG's plan..

Oh puhleese, like they're flush with buck$ and no one else is, or they
actually think they'll be a real market for their stuff in the near
future..

Prolly a good "take" too..

Like I said then, the fuel tank B/S was just that, B/S..

So, all this was just for DIS? How fuckin' myopic can you be?

Or maybe he'd get his ass handled roughly in a class where Suz/Yosh
couldn't fudge with the unobtanium..

Wanna bet?

Jeeze dood, there's enough doom and gloom around without you spinnin' up more..

And the alternative would've been what, nothing? Of course, there's
absolutely nothing guaranteeing this will work out either. My take?
We're not even close to the bottom...

 

Oh, I'm sure in your "world" it's the economy, since that world has no
recognition at all of the f*cked-up stuff DMG has been doing for
nearly a year now. Regarding your asking anything, it seems like
you've had this economy excuse warming in the bullpen ever since you
realized the deal wasn't going down anything like it did in your
dreams...

No huge argument with that, although I suspect you exaggerate the
business impact, but, again, there is nothing in that announcement or
in the Soup interview that suggests Kawi is pulling their factory team
because of the economy and it's expected impact on them. It's all
about the nature of the series DMG is running and is anticipated to be
running. Yes, he's just a marketing guy and one has to assume his
statements have the corporate seal of approval, but that doesn't
change that fact.

He doesn't say anything like that, what he's saying is specific
disputes over the ASB rules wasn't material to their ultimate
decision, it was the big picture, the overall notion that ASB wasn't
really the SB class they'd been working on the last couple years and
that it has no real future in the DMG "vision" anyway, so why pursue
that.

Talkin' to yourself again, eh, Tom? No matter, let's go back to the
beginning:

[To the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies theme}

Listen to the story of ol' Roggy Ed
A race series promoter who barely kept his racers fed
Then one day he was listenin' to a fool
And the Dinger said, "The AMA without racing, wouldn't that be cool?"

The big time, that is, a golden opportunity...

Well, the first thing you know, Rog said, "It belongs to me!"
But Jimmy France warned, the OEMs won't like a monopoly
And he also said, "Californiee is the place you out to be!"
So Rog loaded up his Harley and rode to Beverlee!

Hills, that is... Car pool lanes, GSX-Rs...

Sorry, got carried away there. But when Rog went out to vist the OEMs
last April he had no literbike class, and also made claims about how
those bikes were too fast for the tracks, when what he really meant
was they were too fast for Daytona, otherwise it;'s pretty much a
replay of the Dorna/MSMA fantasy about safer 800s. And the 200 had
been running 600s since '04, with France really wanting SSport instead
of FX. Again, here is what Stjernstrom said, and it couldn't be more
clear:

"The main thing for us was looking at what AMa Pro Racing was
planning, the 600 class, clearly, came to the surface as being where
they're headed and I think that's maybe been true for the last couple
of years. What with the Daytona 200 and so forth. I think that is
clearly evident now that where they want ... or where they're putting
the emphasis. This is going to be the premier event there (Daytona)
and they're trying to ... kind of the direction they appear to be
headed at least as far as we can see."

Replaying that tired old Jordan tune again, eh, Tom? Claiming Mladin
ran up those record numbers of wins and championships on cheater
parts? Suzuki had access to stuff Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Ducati
didn't? Yeah, and Oswald killed Kennedy on his own, and there were
WMDs in Iraq...

On what?

And then you go on to say:

I do like your "DMG saved racing in America!" angle, though, proving
once again that the only thing better than a lie is a really BIG lie...

 

"Got" carried away? Dude, you need to be shrink-wrapped!

Btw, I sorta' liked the tune, 'bout the best thing you've written since
that 1st Qatar race slap-shot and one I actually read all of, maybe you
need to seek an alternative to, well, never mind..


Mark, you didn't want to talk economy last year when this all started,
so it's not surprising you need to diminish it's critical importance
now, but the bottom line, as they say, is pretty much 0's and unless
something breaks in the short term loan market this season could be
"brief" to say the very least..

You need to accept things you can not change, the foremost being that
the day's of racing exclusively by and for the OEM's in the US are
past, deal with it, get over it, or move on, as your continual stream
of venom laced insults aren't doing anything for anyone, except
apparently you, and as usual fall far short of adding substance of note
to any real discussion...



FYI, it's supposed to warm up here this weekend (50-75, sunny) so I'm
thinkin' I'll motor on up to the "WORLD CENTER of RACING" and check-out
the Rolex boy's under the lights, to bad you're in
Califrisco...(heheheheh suks2bu, huh?;-)

 

Mark N points to:

And worse:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jan/090126suzukiinsb.htm

Maybe the Yamahstinkers should just stay home and not
suffer more humiliation at the hands of the anti-Christ
(Mattyboy)


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

 

{Buttbomb drivel snip}


Do you stay up at night conjuring this stuff up? And by the way, didn't
you claim SUZ was gonna take a pass this year, what's up with that? Oh
that's right, it was Mat that said he wouldn't race for DMG, or
something close. Heh, apparently you're both full of shit...

 

actually, this was one of Tom's reasonable posts.
I do rememebr Mat saying he wouldn;t race, and now he is,
and I hear you claiing SB is dead because only Yams were
in it, and now that suzuki is in too you claim that increased
factory participation somehow is the "Death Knell"?

I think both of you need to work on reading comprehension.

Bruce

 

Mark's as full of shit as a Xmas turkey, period..

My comprehension's just fine and unfortunately for Buttbomb my
retention's pretty decent too, that said, it doesn't really have to be
that good, as all he does is repeat the same B/S to the point that I
wonder who he's trying to convince, us, or himself. I said many month's
ago Suzuki had waaaay to much to lose not to race this year, but now
that they're "all in" I wonder if we'll actually have a full season,
'cause If this country keeps shedding jobs like it has been lately I
kinda' doubt it...

 

Reasonable? Let's see, he says, "Do you stay up at night conjuring
this stuff up?" Now here is some of "this stuff":

"We've got Mladin on a "SB" but no Spies to race him, no Kawasaki, the
fastest bike in '08 and the only one that looked like challenging
Suzuki, no Honda, and only Yamaha, the most half-assed factory SB the
last two years after being a no-show the previous four."

Now what there do you think is a fabrication? What would you claim is
inaccurate? Go through the rewst of my post and tell me what you don't
think is reasonable (not just what you wouldn't agree with, but what
factual information is incorrect or what opinions sound entirely
unreasonable to you).

I don't contest that, and that he is going to race now hardly comes as
a huge surprise. To start with he's got a big-money contract to race
for Suzuki, and Suzuki apparently believes things have changed
sufficiently since last summer to allow them to participate. But I for
one will be quite surprised if there doesn't continue to be friction
between Mladin/Suzuki and Edmondson/DMG as the season wears on - I
really don't think any hatchets have been buried quite yet...

Very briefly, this is my take: ASB no longer uses the same sort of
class definition as in WSB and BSB and the old AMA as far as
modification restrictions, it is subject to major parts homologation
and general availability thru the EEL which further separates it from
other major SB series, the factories directly participating have
dropped from four to two (and Yamaha has traditionally been the
softest of the factories regarding SB commitment, and last summer were
for a SS-type literbike class unlike the other three), it is
reasonable to expect that the competition at the front may well be
even less than it's been the last few years with Spies gone, Hacking
likely in DSB, Hodgson unknown but definitely not on a factory team,
Kawasaki and Honda gone, and Yamaha running a guy who's as up-and-down
as anyone I can think of and another guy with a very limited SB
background and at age 33 has never before been offered a factory ride,
we know DMG intends to "equalize" the competitive balance through the
machine-specific TIFs, we know there is bad blood between DMG and
Suzuki, and we know DMG really wants DSB to be the premier class
(which Kawi confirmed and accepted). So what is there that would lead
one to believe genuine SB has a bright future in the AMA? I just don't
see it - do you?