[QUOTE] [MEDIA=youtube]txdv_oNq81I[/MEDIA] "man climbs ladder higher than empire state building", or thereabouts. Makes me queasy just watching it.[/QUOTE] I didn't think it looked too bad. Once you've got the confidence in your ability to physically climb it then there's no difference between climbing that and climbing 50' because if you fall from either height you're dead. I've done just over 500' lightweight caving ladders and didn't worry about a lifeline because we didn't have one long enough and we couldn't be arsed knotting two or three shorter ones together. Those things used to twist and flap about all over the place but once you'd got the technique sorted they were actually quite easy to climb and as long as you didn't lean out from the ladder there was no real weight on your arms. The biggest bastard of them all is when you clip into a rope with about 150' above you to the attachment point and then step off whichever ledge you're on without thinking about the 10% stretch in the rope. That 15' fall before the stretch is taken up seems a long way and your first thought is that the fucker has ripped out.