Another Honda CH125 Question

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Technical Discussion' started by John, Aug 24, 2006.

  1. John

    John Guest

    I had to remove the front hood and the retractable headlight with the
    motor attached to do some repairs on the plastic covers. I followed
    the instructions on the manual to remove the headlight. (Pulling the
    fuse with it open.)

    After I put it all back together, the headlight would not retract. I
    pulled it again and took apart the motor assembly. The motor is good
    and there is a cam wheel gear with contacts that mate with "brushes"
    under this cam, but I must have the sequence all screwed up. The
    retractable headlight doesnt retract anymore.

    Does anyone know how to start from ground zero to make this work
    again??

    I have an external 12 volt power supply that I have used to simulate
    the power to this assembly and following the instructions in the
    manual doesnt seem to make any difference. The little relay clicks but
    for some reason I cant get it to function because of what I think is
    assembly of the motor is out of sync with the power due to the proper
    setting of this cam gear.

    john
     
    John, Aug 24, 2006
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  2. Take it to a dealer or someone who knows what they're doing. Sorry, but
    as ever, if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.
     
    chateau.murray, Aug 24, 2006
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  3. John

    B-12 Guest

    I do not own a 1984 Honda CH125 Elite motorscooter, but I used to fix
    my Uncle Sam's weapons of mass destruction, and I would suspect the
    limit switch (item 24 on the HEADLIGHT parts diagram) of not making
    contact at the correct time, especially if the switch has THREE wires
    going into it, indicating that it just might make contact as the
    headlight reaches the full open position and then shut off the motor
    and perhaps it makes contact again when the headlight is fully
    retracted to shut the motor off at that very critical time.

    You don't want the motor to keep running when the headlight is
    retracted.

    Story time.

    I was working in the electric shop at Edwards AFB and I was alone on
    standby. The crew chief of a C-130 Hercules calls me up and tells me
    that he can't get the oil cooler door to close fully on one engine,
    after installing a new electric actuator.

    So, I go out to the ramp and check out the operation of the actuator
    motor and, sure enough, the motor shuts off with the oil cooler door
    still open half an inch. Sarge tells me he wants me to open up the
    actuator and adjust the closing limit switch inside.

    So, I tell the sergeant that he should remove the actuator and bring it
    to the shop, where I can adjust the limit switch on the bench with a
    vernier caliper.

    Sarge tells me that I am a lowly Airman Second Class and that *he* is a
    Technical Sergeant and that I must obey his order to adjust the swith
    in situ...

    So, I adjust the limit switch by guesswork and Sarge, up in the
    cockpit, operates the
    oil cooler switch. The aluminum oil cooler door closes, but the motor
    continues to run as it tries to suck the fragile oil cooler door into
    the engine nacelle.

    I yell, "Shut it off, Sarge, shut it off!" But Sarge doesn't hear me
    and the oil cooler door is mangled.

    The next day, the offending actuator appeared in the electric shop, on
    my bench, to
    have the limit switches properly adjusted. My shop chief, a Master
    Sergeant, wanted to know why I had tried to adjust the limit switches
    with the actuator installed in the aircraft...

    "Orders, Sarge. Orders..."
     
    B-12, Aug 24, 2006
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  4. Lovely :))
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 24, 2006
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  5. John

    B-12 Guest

    The malfunctioning oil cooler door actuator mystified every aircraft
    electrician who ever was called out to troubleshoot it because we were
    thinking inside our own little
    specialty box or wires and relays and connectors.

    The actuator on that one engine would never malfunction in flight. It
    would only malfunction doing ground operations, as the crew chief would
    taxi the aircraft out to the run up area at the end of the runway.

    It wasn't necessary to use all four engines to taxi out to the run up
    area, so the crew chief would use the inboard engines to taxi out,
    start up the other two engines for run up, shut down the inboards and
    taxi back on the outboards.

    Engine operating times were equalized.

    I was aboard the aircraft, adjusting voltage regulators to parallel
    generators. When I was done, I sat in the crewchief's in-flight seat
    and watched the complex manipulations as the crew chief in the pilot's
    seat shut down the inboards preparatory to taxiing back to the parking
    ramp.

    The crew chief told the assistant crewchief, "Tell the kid that #2 and
    #3 alternators just dropped off line."

    No kidding. The engines weren't running, the generators weren't
    turning.

    The crewchief looked at me in the rear view mirror to see how I was
    reacting to his practical joke. I was giving him the finger.

    I didn't mess with the crew chief again, after he showed me the .32
    caliber semi-automatic pistol he carried in his boot. That was when I
    decided he just might be a little crazy for carrying a pistol around
    during peacetime operations over US territory.

    But that generator paralleling run up was when I first became aware of
    the mysterious oil cooler actuator glitch. All the technicians in the
    shop failed to figure that one out.

    It turned out that a pneumatic duct clamp was loose and the hot air was
    blowing on the oil cooler door actuator. This would overheat the
    electric overload device inside the
    actuator, and the motor only malfunctioned on the ground because it
    wasn't being cooled by low temperature air at high altitudes where the
    Herky Bird would normally fly.

    Jet engine mechanics discovered the loose duct during an engine change.
     
    B-12, Aug 24, 2006
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  6. John

    oldgeezer Guest

    B-12 schreef:
    I was just a drafted sergeant, he was an officer and ordered me to
    sign for approval of the engine of a F104G, but I told him -although
    I could not detect any damage on the first stators and rotor vanes-,
    that I smelled a dead bird in the engine.

    Altough he was my superior, only I was allowed to sign.
    There was no way he could force me to do it.

    Military ranks did not count in technical matters. Only the pilot
    of that plane could override a decision of a technician.
    No pilot ever did.

    Guess why.

    They published a story about the smart sergeant who prevented
    a jet crash in the houses at the end of the runway. Still have
    the picture they took of me sitting next to the engine.
    The story was exaggerated of course. But the engine was
    a mess inside.

    Rob.
     
    oldgeezer, Aug 24, 2006
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  7. The "Widowmaker"? Right?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 24, 2006
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  8. John

    oldgeezer Guest

    Yes.
    But I remember a feast held because that year we did not
    loose a pilot. So it was possible after all.
    The feast must have been mid 1967, because end 1967 I
    was allowed to service an engine all by myself.
    Wow: My first engine.....

    It came back in pieces.

    Turned out not to be my fault.
    Pilot was on a low level mission. But did too low a level.

    Rob.
     
    oldgeezer, Aug 26, 2006
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