Ariel Square Four

Discussion in 'Classic Motorcycles' started by Dr Ivan D. Reid, Jun 24, 2006.

  1. Saw a rather immaculately fettled Square Four parked in Uxbridge
    centre tonight. Very nicely maintained & polished. No camera to hand,
    unfortunately.

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Jun 24, 2006
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    sweller Guest

    If you weren't such a mobile phone luddite you can have whipped out your
    weapon camera phone and shot your wad over the Ariel.
     
    sweller, Jun 24, 2006
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    Rob Guest

    It seems to have a 21st century successor - see
    http://www.wikingmotorcycles.com/home/index.htm

    They're a bit out on their claim about the first in-line 4 since 1942
    though.
     
    Rob, Jun 24, 2006
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    I'm confused. Assuming they just mean "longitudinal inline four",
    didn't Indian do one quite recently, and there's BMW's K series. Or
    have I missed the point?
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 24, 2006
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    Benji Guest

    Henderson
    Indian
    Excelsior (I think)

    and not forgetting :

    The Nimbus

    As far as I know the only Danish motorbike manufacturer

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    Benji, Jun 24, 2006
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Just a different slant on the concept.

    There was also that DIY car-engined lash-up (Austel? I can never
    remember), if those count.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 24, 2006
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    SD Guest

    BMW K100?

    Presumably the 1942 is a refence to the Henderson?
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    Rob Guest

    They claim it's the Indian.

    I must admit that the K100 immediately sprung to mind as an inline 4, I
    think differentiating between a vertical and an inclined (flat) 4 is a
    bit anal...
     
    Rob, Jun 24, 2006
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  9. I'm not a Luddite. I pay BT £40/quarter and none of you bastards
    call me, so I'm damned if I'll pay a phobile moan company even more to
    have no-one call my handy! (The only phone calls I've paid for in the
    last year or so are reporting the thefts of the DT175MX and the RG250WD
    to the police...)

    Back to the OP, it looks like it was a mid-50s model as it had the
    four separate header pipes coming from the head. The mufflers looked
    surprisingly small and stifling for a 1000 cc machine.

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Jun 25, 2006
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    Naqerj Guest

    Anglo-Dane, BFC, Diesella, Elleham, Juergenssen, Power, Skylon, Wooler
    (no, not *that* Wooler). So there were a few, but nowhere near the 'one
    for every letter of the alphabet' league.
     
    Naqerj, Jun 25, 2006
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  11. Flat four means boxer layout. Inline four means four inline; doesn't
    matter if it's on its side or not - the K100 series is a definite
    longitudinal four.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 25, 2006
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    platypus Guest

    Or flat twin. It's the opposed pairs of pistons that define a boxer layout,
    whether 2, 4, 6, 8, 12 or 16.
     
    platypus, Jun 25, 2006
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  13. Yes; and? I've never known the flat4 layout to mean anything else but
    boxer.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 25, 2006
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    Adrian Guest

    Grimly Curmudgeon () gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :
    Strictly speaking opposing pairs of pistons in a boxer move in and out
    simultaneously - so in a boxer twin, both pistons are at TDC together. The
    (slightly tenuous, imho) logic is that of boxer's fists meeting at the
    start of a round. Or something.

    If they share a crankpin, then that's not going to apply - one will be at
    TDC, the other at BDC.

    All boxers are horizontally-opposed, not all HO are boxers.
     
    Adrian, Jun 25, 2006
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    Roger Hunt Guest

    So a true boxer engine is the Deltic I suppose.
     
    Roger Hunt, Jun 25, 2006
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    Mike Civil Guest

    From what I remember, in a Deltic the pistons had different TDC phasing
    for better scavenging. So apparently not a boxer then:)

    Mike
     
    Mike Civil, Jun 25, 2006
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    Roger Hunt Guest

    I chipped in with the Deltic first and I claim my £5.
     
    Roger Hunt, Jun 25, 2006
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    Adrian Guest

    Roger Hunt () gurgled happily, sounding much like
    they were saying :
    Is this a new definition of "horizontal"?
     
    Adrian, Jun 25, 2006
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    Roger Hunt Guest

    Oh OK ok. One pair of pistons could be, or all of them if the engine
    were mounted in an unfeasible position.
     
    Roger Hunt, Jun 26, 2006
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    Adrian Guest

    Roger Hunt () gurgled happily, sounding much like they
    were saying :
    With a vertical crank?
    That'd make one *hell* of a lawnmower...
     
    Adrian, Jun 26, 2006
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