BAN THE STONES BOMBS

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Madeyes, Jun 19, 2006.

  1. Madeyes

    Hammo Guest

    I wanted the OP to make sure all the implications of the statement were
    understood.
    ....and posting this was?

    So you got what I was saying, yet don't disagree with the point? Gosh,
    first time for everything!

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Jun 23, 2006
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  2. Madeyes

    Dale Porter Guest

    I disagree!
     
    Dale Porter, Jun 23, 2006
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  3. Madeyes

    Hammo Guest

    Yeah. Mini-Mental Exam. A quick diagnostic used to assess the mental
    status of a person. Problem with it is that responses can be learnt and it
    becomes ineffective. Always keep a few questions that are not "the
    standard" up your sleeve to gauge responses. Some would argue that that
    deviates from the MME, so it's not relevant. However, if someone has had a
    decreased level of consciousness (LOC) and this had the potential to or
    resulted in a significant change to the Glascow Coma Scores (GCS), then
    asking if "banana is a day of the week and it used to sit on" may gain
    insight into the functioning of the person [1]. Here you could say it
    reflects also on the one asking the questions, and both would be valid.
    OK. Firstly there was a call to ban all flammable liquids (and the playing
    with them).

    Problem is, where do you draw the line? If you call for ALL flammable (and
    yes that includes inflammable as there is no difference, 'cept for the
    name), you'll make the rally scene a great deal different. Why? ...and
    that was my point. You are including ethanol in that ban. If that was the
    point of the OP, then they can run away and live in a small house on a hill
    in a dark room with no electricity and use the banana as a chair, whilst
    amending the calendar to their own way of thinking.

    Hammo
    [1] This is a reference to fruit and not the lounge/recliner. The latter
    would indicate that the person has word association skills, yet it does not
    explain the day being Banana, unless it is also the same month a banana
    festival is one and that is referred to as "banana day". This highlights
    the inadequacies of the MME and shows why subjective assessment is not to
    good. It is also unlikely that this response would occur discretely in one
    question.
     
    Hammo, Jun 23, 2006
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  4. You don't throw them.

    Al
     
    Alan Pennykid, Jun 23, 2006
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  5. Madeyes

    Peter Wyzl Guest

    Not only do I understand all of that, I agree with it all. It does not
    match my guess as to what your original point may have been, so I will add
    that to the debate.

    I thought you meant something along these lines:

    I suspect the organisers of the rallies have no more influence on whether
    someone plans to ignite a stones bomb than they do on the brand of petrol
    purchased by rally goes on their respective journeys to the respective
    rallies. Therefore calling on the rallies to not sanction these things is
    rather pointless. The fact that these things are ignited at rallies is
    something idividuals do, not 'sanctioned' by the rally organisers. (I may
    be wrong on this point, as I have not actually been to a rally, and I am
    aware that certain event organisers do actively encourage the bonfire
    itself).

    However, encouraging a bonfire is _not_ the same thing as sanctioning
    explosive devices. The wrongful actions of an individual can not always be
    linked to the organisers of the function.

    Having said that, I have heard no mention of criminal charges along the
    lines of 'commit a dangerous act resulting in actual bodily harm' or
    something to that effect. Others are no doubt more qualified than I to
    comment on that matter.

    I also applaud the suggestion of prizes to be awarded in the event of _no_
    detonations, and it provides positive incentive for negative peer pressure.
    Whether linking individuals stupidity to the 'event' can be successfully
    achieved is yet to be seen.

    P
    And no, I don't know where to draw the line, commonsense, as we know is
    neither common, nor sensible. :)
     
    Peter Wyzl, Jun 23, 2006
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  6. Dis information - and sometimes dat information over dere.

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    Peter Cremasco, Jun 23, 2006
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  7. Madeyes

    Dale Porter Guest

    No I wouldn't!

    Actually, I disagree with myself, yeah I would. ;-)
     
    Dale Porter, Jun 24, 2006
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  8. Madeyes

    Smee Guest

    Bullshit!
     
    Smee, Jun 24, 2006
    #28
  9. Madeyes

    JL Guest

    Not really, I doubt many rally goers are bringing beverages that have a
    high enough alcohol concentration to actually burn. What's the required
    % concentration ? About 40%+ isn't it ?

    JL
     
    JL, Jun 26, 2006
    #29
  10. Setting aside pointless arguments about what is actually 'burning' (add
    that to the 'flammable' vs 'inflammable' debate), you're largely right.
    Most neat spirits are around 40% ethanol and can be persuaded to burn if
    a modest amount of heat is applied. You need a lot of oxygen, though,
    and putting a half on Johnnie Walker into the fire shouldn't do much at
    all (not that I've tried it).

    In any event, why waste any energy debating the products to ban? Don't
    you just ban the practice of making petrol bombs rather than the use of
    petrol?
     
    Andrew McKenna, Jun 26, 2006
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  11. Madeyes

    Hammo Guest

    Really? So flammable now becomes / means "of a given flash point"?

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Jun 26, 2006
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  12. Madeyes

    Hammo Guest

    Cos that's not what was proclaimed. Do try and keep up!

    Hammo

    PS, your claim above, all bullshit (apologies to Penn and Teller).
     
    Hammo, Jun 26, 2006
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  13. Madeyes

    JL Guest

    I'm not debating it either way, I don't go to rallies, so I couldn't
    give a flying **** if people take lumps of C4 or sticks of dynamite. I
    was merely taking the pedant to task on a flaw in his pedantry

    JL
     
    JL, Jun 27, 2006
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  14. Madeyes

    JL Guest

    Dunno what language you're using Hammo, but it ain't the same English I am.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flammable

    flammable: Easily ignited and capable of burning rapidly; inflammable.

    http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/flammable?view=uk

    flammable adjective: easily set on fire.

    If the alcohol in question isn't easily set on fire in the format that
    it's been supplied in (ie poured out of the bottle at room(1)
    temperature) without resorting to distilling the ethanol out of it then
    it's not really a particularly flammable object is it ? Hardly comes
    under the definition of a banned flammable object, does it ? I mean sure
    if you send it into the heart of the sun it will burst into flames, but
    so will iron...

    JL

    (1) aka cold windy rally paddock
     
    JL, Jun 27, 2006
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  15. Madeyes

    ck Guest

    Probably gets down to whether the substance is classified dg's

    in the case of alcoholic beverages then it's not and therefore okay to take

    ck
     
    ck, Jun 27, 2006
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    smack Guest

    Don't get him angry or he'll rip into you
     
    smack, Jun 27, 2006
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  17. Madeyes

    JL Guest

    <sigh> Point well made.

    JL
     
    JL, Jun 27, 2006
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  18. Madeyes

    Hammo Guest

    Perhaps, I should call you, Evan?

    Hammo
     
    Hammo, Jun 27, 2006
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  19. Madeyes

    Hammo Guest

    You're English too? Great!
    Oh, come on, you've just claimed to never be a rally goer, so how would you
    know what gets consumed there? [2].
    Really? I must have missed that school excursion.

    I was the one who didn't want it banned! I pointed out (allegedly
    cryptically) that it would be necessary to clarify which flammable liquids
    were banned. I picked grog as an easy point. I could go on.....

    I am also surprised that a frequent international flyer like yourself isn't
    aware of the restrictions that are covered by "flammable liquids".[3].
    [2]

    Hammo
    [3] more rules!
     
    Hammo, Jun 27, 2006
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  20. Madeyes

    JL Guest

    You may of course call me whatever you wish, I can't stop you. The
    reference however eludes me.

    JL
    (I rarely watch TV so if it's a game show host or something you've lost
    me already)
     
    JL, Jun 28, 2006
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