Bathurst 1000

Yeah but who wants torque up the rev-range? (Apart from you, obviously)
Twin-lovers like that lazy, low-down, don't have to go looking-for-it grunt.
Maybe "torque" isn't the right word for it.

 

No kidding. My blackbird and my jap sports 1000s all have way more bottom end
than my DL1000. In fact getting off my CBR1000RR and onto the Vstrom makes
the V feel positively gutless.

Fraser

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:34:57 GMT

Don't buy a Guzzi then. They get their jollies at the higher end of
their rev range.

Zebee

 

No torque is the right word, it just sounds like you've not compared
engines lately.

I own a late-ish model litre twin, I love the way the engine performs
and sounds, but it has by no means the low down grunt of the 4cylinder
it replaced. The only real difference between it and a brand new
current litre twin would be a smidgen more top end at the expense of
even less bottom end.

The reality is even the tuned & modified version of the Raptor (TL1000
motor) I have only has a 110 RearWheel HP (stock is about 10 less- 125
at the crank claimed) with about 105Nm of torque at the crank claimed
(don't have my dyno chart handy to be able to tell you what mine
actually has at the rear wheel. A litre 4, even one 10 years old has
at least as much (1999 R1 crank claimed 150 HP and 108 Nm for example)

The current model 4's have more all round (the GSXR1000 is renowned
for it) and the current twins are giving away torque to get HP up top.
Sure if you compare a 1200 twin to a litre 4 it's about even.

Ie 2009 Ducati 1098R - claimed 180HP and and 134Nm, 2009 R1 claimed
180hp and 115Nm and yes the 4 has it's peak higher up the rev rang
(10K vs 7K) yes 20Nm is noticeable but 200cc you'd expect a little
more bottom end and the longer rev range tends to make the fact you're
revving it harder not very noticeable

JL
(likes twins, likes 4s likes two strokes, likes singles - they all
have their good points)

 

Are you talking about 2000 or are you talking about 5000 (which may be
"low down" on a 4 but is almost redline on a big Harley)?

I can't even FIND a 4cyl torque-curve that has figures below 3 (which is
what; 30kph over the city speed-limit in top?), but according to these
they seem pretty similar from 3,000 to 5,500.
http://www.factorypro.com/prod_pages/prodh75.html
http://www.holeshot.com/dynocharts/images/DL1000_slipon_06.jpg

Not really a fair comparison though; the CBR should probably be compared
to a big BM, Ducati or a Norge (I can't think of any big Jap twin
cruisers) and the Vstrom should probably be compared to a Z1000 or
something a bit milder.

 

But Guzzi owners are, by their own admission, pretty weird! ;-)

regards,
CrazyCam

 

JL wrote:

Yeah, but, like me, you are a cheap tart!

regards,
CrazyCam

 

If you saw the bloke on the guzzi going down the hill into Beenleigh
this morning early you wouldn't make that claim .

 

so do 6's until they fall down
I dropped the 6 pot once , repaired it and sold it to a swede who took
it back with him which brought about buying the first hogly
Two pots are just generally cheaper to break

 

Well torque obviously ISN'T the right word if you're talking about what
an engine is doing at 7000->10000 RPM!
That isn't lazy low-down grunt in anyone's language (anyone vaguely
normal that is!)
That's back 3 gears at 100kph to access the fat part of the
torque-curve? How could that possibly qualify as "don't have to go
looking-for-it grunt"?

 

I would be interested to see how many not twins can handle a big roll
throttle at 1000 in top gear and make it the red line without a problem

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:41:04 +1000

BUt he probably would.

THe owners of the other agricultural v-twin are proud of being weird.

"If motorcyclists are the fringe of society, Guzzi owners are the
ragged fringe"

Zebee
- whose 1200 will pootle along at low revs and behave quite properly
but doesn't like the throttle being whacked open at low revs. Get
the revs over 5 grand though, and whole different ballgame. Just like
the 850 it replaced, and just like the other 850.

 

no
a couple of months ago maybe but now he was in the suite with hair and
td beard.. kinda incongruous

 

Bit of a silly test though. It is like saying wonder which one could plow a
field if you hooked up a plow to it. Wait up, you ride a Buell. Forget I
spoke.

Fraser

 

Oh, and I forgot to add, triples have their moments, too!

regards,
CrazyCam

 

only when it disadvantages you

It is like saying wonder which one could plow a

nothing like it
Wait up, you ride a Buell. Forget I

 

<beatific smile> Yeahhhh....;-)

JL
(and apologies to all triples out there - yes I like them too - and
I'd love to have a 6 or an 8 one day ;-)

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:12:26 -0700 (PDT)

<waits to see if JL and CC can bear to say "and a diesel">


Zebee

 

In the old days, I'd have said "only when hell freezes over", but, when
you look at some of the euro cars, like Peugeot, where their go-faster
versions are high revving turbo diesels, maybe one day.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Hangers years ago got put on all sorts of old gutless singles , I expect
this modern diesel would be akin to riding one of the underpowered 30 hp
pommie thumpers
The hangers still look shite of course