Battery Water.

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by mike, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. If everyone would killfile Krusty (including newbies), nobody would have
    to post to correct him. Think about that.
    Hey, this is *reeky*! Where's your sense of adventure?
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Jul 27, 2010
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  2. mike

    ` Guest

    Neil Murray (who calls himself "The Older Gentleman" in disrespect to
    a constable who once stopped him and his scruffy friends) destroyed
    the credibility of this group ten years ago.
    Unfortunately, Murray is hiding behind a bogus email addy.
    `, Jul 27, 2010
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  3. mike

    ` Guest

    No, it isn't.
    `, Jul 27, 2010
  4. mike

    ` Guest

    Where did I ever tell anybody to add pure sulfuric acid(1) to a
    battery or to mix his own electrolyte?
    If the battery is weak and low on electrolyte, I remove it from the
    motorcycle, measure the specifi gravity (if I can) and voltage, top it
    up with distilled water, charge it at 10% of the ampere hour capacity
    rate, let it cool off, check the resting voltage and specific gravity,
    and then add sufficient pre-mixed *electrolyte* to get the level back
    to the top line.

    If the electrolyte is so weak that it gasses off water below the lower
    level and I can't measure the specific gravity with a hydrometer, what
    am I supposed to do, add distilled *water* to a fully charged battery?

    I don't think so.

    (1) The last place I worked had a huge tank filled with thousands of
    gallons of 98% pure sulfuric acid, which doesn't look anything like
    `, Jul 27, 2010
  5. Well let's summarize then.

    1) The phrase "boiling the battery" is a misnomer.
    Water boils at ~212F and sulfuric acid at ~554 F.
    Pretty obviously the electrolyte doesn't reach those
    temperatures. A more accurate term is "gassing".

    Fluid loss in a battery is caused by electrolysis, where
    electric current splits the water in the electrolyte
    into hydrogen and oxygen. That's why they tell you
    not to smoke or make sparks around batteries.

    2) Batteries should be topped off with distilled water.
    (see above).

    3) Beware of all advice you get on the internet. Some of
    it may be incredibly foolish.

    Hope this helps the many truth seekers flocking to
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jul 27, 2010
  6. mike

    ` Guest


    TOG killed this NG singlehandedly several years ago.
    `, Jul 27, 2010
  7. mike

    S'mee Guest

    You mean several people pointing out that a certain incompetant shit
    is wrong and WHY he is wrong isn't useful I'd like to know how that
    isn't useful. I haven't seen you post a thing. As a whole this group
    is rather moribund except when somebody is wrong and how and why is
    pointed out thus helping everybody learn something.
    S'mee, Jul 27, 2010
  8. mike

    S'mee Guest

    This could be true if you were correct which you are not. Quiet
    frankly except for the times when you plagerize or cut and paste you
    never get anything right and I doubt highly that you have ever ridden
    a motorcycle or served in any capacity in the military or avaition.
    All you are is a wannabe and a racist prick.
    S'mee, Jul 27, 2010
  9. mike

    S'mee Guest

    No actually that would be you...Krusty the greatest failure in N.
    America. Well after the welfare program any ways.
    S'mee, Jul 27, 2010
  10. You don't think 33% acid deserves precautions ?
    The specific gravity of the electrolyte drops during
    discharge and rises during charging as the sulfuric
    acid transforms to PbSo4 and back to SO4. Add
    water as needed and charge. If the specific gravity
    is low, it's because the SO4 is still in the form of
    PbSO4, not because it's gone. If the lead and SO4
    are still bound up as lead sulfate, more acid won't help.

    One more time, batteries loose water because it's
    electrolyzed out as H and O2. As everyone has
    pointed out, the only reasons to add electrolyte are
    spills or stupidity. If there's no spill, the SO4 hasn't
    gone anywhere except into a PbSO4 compound. While
    it's in the form of lead sulfate, the lead plates aren't
    available to react with whatever SO4 you might add.

    You really should have gone into phrenology or
    fortune telling or something similar, so you could make
    up whatever bullshit you cared to with impunity.
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jul 27, 2010
  11. mike

    ian field Guest

    You mean several people pointing out that a certain incompetant shit
    is wrong and WHY he is wrong isn't useful I'd like to know how that
    isn't useful. I haven't seen you post a thing. As a whole this group
    is rather moribund except when somebody is wrong and how and why is
    pointed out thus helping everybody learn something.
    ian field, Jul 27, 2010
  12. mike

    ` Guest

    When I added pure sulfuric acid to water (never water to acid), I wore
    a face shield, rubber gloves and apron and rubber boots.

    But, where did you see me advising the OP to mix his own electrolyte?

    After all, he can buy a lifetime supply of pre-mixed electrolyte from
    an auto parts store for a few $$$.
    No shit, sherlock?

    Didn't I warn the OP that his battery was sulfated from my very first
    message? Didn't I tell him to replace it with a maintenance-free
    So. When your gas tank is low on fuel, you add distilled water?

    There is still a necessary balance between the plate area and the
    volume and specific gravity of electrolyte required to make the
    battery work.

    The emergency batteries in the power receiving and tranformer station
    where I worked for the Department of Water and Power had solid plates
    instead of spongy lead plates like an automotive/aircraft/motorcycle
    battery has.

    The battery maintenance man would come around and add water and check
    the specific gravity of the electrolyte.

    He pointed out that the electrolyte in the batteries was only about
    1.2 instead of nearly 1.3 because the solid plates offered so much
    area for the electrolyte to work on.

    He said that automotive batteries needed stronger electrolyte because
    of the lack of plate area.
    `, Jul 27, 2010
  13. mike

    ` Guest

    And I support the entire adult diaper industry all by myself,
    according to Sweet S'meetard...
    `, Jul 27, 2010
  14. And in the few situations where it ought to be added,
    battery acid deserves precautions such as eye protection,
    which ought to be called out when offering a newby your
    unique brand of bad advice.
    And it was stupid advice. The correct advice was to add
    distilled water and look for an overcharging problem.
    Where did you see any indication of low specific gravity
    or starting problems which would accompany a sulfated
    battery ?

    The correct advice was to add water, check voltage regulation
    and fix as needed, charge the battery and then check the refilled
    battery to see if it would take and hold the charge. Duhhhh !!!
    Electrolyte is not "fuel" you idiot. It does not get consumed
    and replenished. This is exactly where you've got your head up
    your ass.
    A deep discharge battery needs a stronger solution
    of acid than an automotive type quick discharge
    battery. This is not relevant to motorcycle batteries
    in any way, shape or form.

    It appears that when you worked with batteries, you worked
    under the direction of somebody who probably understood
    how batteries worked and that your duties didn't require this same
    level of understanding of battery chemistry. I'm glad to hear
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jul 27, 2010
  15. mike

    S'mee Guest

    Nope you'd be wrong. It's better off if he left, even if it got
    quieter. Let's put it this way, Krusty is so useless that he wouldn't
    even make good compost or worm food...hell his ashes wouldn't even
    make good filler of a sidewalk or septic tank!
    S'mee, Jul 27, 2010
  16. mike

    S'mee Guest

    Hey I just emailed depends...your last check to them bounced.
    S'mee, Jul 27, 2010
  17. mike

    mike Guest

    400 miles later and the battery is still full of water.
    Rerouting the sense line seems to have fixed it.
    Thanks for the suggestion.
    mike, Aug 1, 2010
  18. Beers all round on Mike, then.
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 1, 2010
  19. mike

    ian field Guest

    Mine's a very large JD (as in leave the bottle).
    ian field, Aug 1, 2010
  20. mike

    S'mee Guest

    That's only step abobe cough syrup using bog water as a base...better
    some Pusser's rhum or a nice well aged Mezcal.
    S'mee, Aug 2, 2010
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