Beemer Bounce

Discussion in 'Classic Motorcycles' started by greg, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. greg

    greg Guest

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    I wasn't looking for a BMW - they're too expensive and usually ridden
    by elderly gents - but I was dissatisfied with my XJ600 Diversion.
    There was nothing actually wrong with it, I'd been rallying all over
    the country on the Divvi over the course of the summer and it
    performed faultlessly, coping well with the copious luggage I like to
    take and, quite frequently, the luggage of other club members. As my
    better half is not into the rally scene, I always have an empty
    pillion.

    It's just that the Divvi was, well, a bit dull and a touch
    embarrassing to roll up on - it lacks a certain presence. So there I
    was looking through the pages of the local Free Ads and I noticed "BMW
    R80 Flat-tracker style" at around 500 notes - I've got to look, I
    thought, so I went to Ashfield for a gander. Incidentally, the area
    around Kirkby-in-Ashfield has a massive bike scene, my last five bikes
    have all been from there. I saw it, I loved it!

    It was cut down to the bare minimum. Single seat (a flat aluminium
    plate with no padding), shortened rear sub-frame, LOUD megaphone
    silencers (sic), K and N air-filters and a minimal electrical set-up
    tucked into a box under the seat. The owner started it up - bloody
    hell - it was banging from side to side and when you revved it pulled
    strongly to the right. EXACTLY the kind of thing I wanted after the
    sugar-coated Yamaha.

    Once I got it home I started what I knew would become the big job of
    sorting the bike out. It was very rusty, the silencers, electrics box
    and much of the frame were brown, the lower half of the engine was
    plastered with black sticky oil and the left hand carb kept flooding.
    In terms of modifications I wanted to make it needed an oil pressure
    light hooking up (why on earth would you not want an oil pressure
    light?), the Bates headlamp was crap, the seat was non-existent and I
    couldn't see the pushbike speedo at night (no illumination).

    It also needed engine bars, with those pots sticking out the side, you
    don't need much of a get off to completely destroy the motor. I
    started on the engine, it was very noisy - valve gear clatter - I
    adjusted the clearances but found that the needle rollers on the
    rocker shafts were worn, so I replaced those. Quietened it down a lot,
    changing all four sets of oil (engine, gearbox, shaft and bevel drive)
    also seemed to help the smoothness.

    A mate from the club came up with a headlight from a CB750, which
    takes a halogen bulb, and I bunged it out front with some universal
    headlight brackets I got from the bike shop. I wired up LEDs for high
    beam and oil pressure, the wiring for the oil pressure switch easy -
    one of those short-to-ground types. I put on a new pushbike speedo,
    made an aluminium cowl for it (to keep the rain off) and inside I made
    a bracket to hold one of the instrument illumination bulb assemblies
    that I ripped out of the original clocks.

    The cosmetics were easily sorted out with a tin of Hammerite. I glued
    two layers of foam to the aluminium plate and fitted road legal
    silencers, which the previous owner had given me with the bike (nice
    chap), then went for an MOT. It failed, the front mudguard too short
    (it stretched about two inches either side of the forks). I had been
    meaning to change it as I didn't look forward to the idea of water
    spraying up inside my helmet! So I shot round to Manhattan's (in
    Sheffield - one of the last proper bike shops in the country) where I
    cajoled the proprietor into giving me a mudguard from an Indian
    Enfield for a fiver; he lent me the tools to drill and fit it, too.

    Straight back round to the MOT centre and a one year ticket was mine!
    I started to use the bike more and more instead of the Divvi, I just
    couldn't be bothered with the Yamaha any more. As the miles piled on I
    noticed a new rattle from the cylinder head. A phone call to
    Motorworks up in the Yorkshire Dales put me right, it was the valve
    guides. No problem, the heads come off so easily it's a revelation.
    Well, it was, once I chiselled the exhaust nuts off and repaired the
    subsequent damage to the threads on the exhaust stub with a needle
    file.

    While I was doing the engine I thought I'd try to solve the black
    sticky oil problem, so the barrels came off too. I noticed that the
    right hand piston had a damaged compression ring, which I believe was
    due to ham-fisted rebuilding in the past, so a set of rings was
    ordered. Motorworks handled the valve guide replacement, but it meant
    that I had to go to the Yorkshire Pudding Rally on my CG125 (god I
    love pushrods) and on the Saturday I pushed on up to Meltham to
    collect my heads, so I wobbled back from the rally with all my camping
    gear and half a BMW engine on the back!

    I was learning that these old boxers are nothing like the Jap iron I
    was used to - there's not a single part that can't be replaced,
    everything runs in replaceable bushes or bearings. For instance, the
    bores are chrome plated, that means that they (in all practical terms)
    never wear out, the pistons are rock hard too - so they never wear
    either, but the piston rings are soft and so they are a service item,
    as are the bronze valve guides. It's a different way of thinking -
    where's that copy of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?

    The rebuild went easily enough, although I had to buy a piston ring
    compressor - that's probably why the previous rebuilder had damaged
    the rings! Fired up after a couple of seconds of churning and sounded
    lovely! So the long running-in process began, 500 miles of gentle
    wrist action. Around this time I started to get the alternator warning
    light flickering on - off with the front cover to reveal a damaged
    alternator brush holder and amateurish soldering on the alternator
    coil output. Motorworks supplied the parts and I supplied the
    soldering iron (I'm an electronics engineer - soldering is not a
    problem!). Motorworks also advised me to check the diode board, it's
    held in with four bolts and all four need to be fitted to ensure good
    ground contact - sure enough, two were missing.

    The charging problem cured, I started to hear another new rattle, this
    time from the front of the engine, Motorworks to the rescue with a new
    timing chain and tensioner slipper, and a few hours of my time saw it
    sorted again. The difficult part was getting the alternator rotor off
    - I took the advice of my Haynes Manual, made a pusher-rod by grinding
    down an allen key, which then fits in the end of the shaft and when
    you screw the alternator bolt back in, it pops the alternator off -
    magic!

    I made a better seat with some memory foam and some leather which I
    got from a lass at the club. That helped my arse - the bike took me to
    the OGRI Rally and round Snowdonia (regular biking weekend in the
    company of some mates) with aplomb. Around this time I fitted longer
    rear shocks, the previous owner had lowered the back end a bit and I
    didn't like the way the sump kept scraping along on bumpy roads!

    I picked up another R80 from Edinburgh (through eBay) and brought it
    home. I was going to run it but then thought why bother, so broke it
    for parts - the decision was helped along by the oil pressure warning
    light coming on at tickover (not a good thing), sure enough when I
    took the engine out of the frame there was oil dribbling down from
    behind the clutch, where oil should definitely not be! So that engine
    is on the bench awaiting a rebuild.

    The second bike did have a funky arctic camo paint job, so I swapped
    the tank and front guard on to mine (had to clean the fuel taps out,
    though). I've now fitted the side plates of a Givi Wingrack, to make
    rallying a bit easier next year - I was really struggling for luggage
    space, had stuff strapped to the forks, the tank, the engine bars,
    etc.

    The left hand carb was still periodically flooding, someone had badly
    bent the floats in a previous attempt to fix it. I tried a new float
    needle valve, to no avail, so I changed the floats for those from the
    other R80, which has cured the problem (hopefully for good).

    The build quality of the chassis is fantastic, taper roller bearings
    are used throughout and they just don't wear out. The front brakes are
    very good, dual twin pot Brembo calipers on stainless discs - my bike
    has braided lines coming from a dual banjo on the master cylinder. A
    mate from the club tried the bike and specifically commented on how
    good the brakes were, but then he does ride a CB750 (ouch)!

    In the middle of all this the Divvi was sold to a bloke at the club,
    and promptly exploded two days later - the camchain tensioner actually
    came unscrewed and popped out on to the top crankcase! We looked into
    the engine, eight bent valves, eight cracked valve seats, probably
    some bent rods. So a new engine bought (through eBay) and bunged in -
    the motor from 2003 and the bike '93, so there were some differences
    with the plumbing, but it went in and worked fine.

    Shortly after, the new owner was T-boned by some woman at a crossroads
    and the Divvi written off. The engine survived and was sold to another
    bloke from the club! Everybody said the Divvi must be jinxed, but I
    pointed out that it was fine for the nine months I had it, so maybe
    it's my mate that's jinxed?

    So in conclusion, I am converted - I LOVE the BMW. Simple to fix, fun
    to ride and it's got real character. Okay, I've done a lot to it, but
    I put that down to correcting years of neglect, now it's sorted it's
    as reliable as any bike could ever be and I should say that during all
    of these trials and tribulations, it has never once broken down - it's
    always got me home. If you know where your socket set is and you are
    not afraid to use it, I'd definitely recommend buying one. To be fair
    to the BMW, how many Jap bikes can you buy that have over 100,000
    miles on the clock, that are over twenty years old, but which can be
    rebuilt for a couple of hundred notes and be as good as new?

    Bob of AIMCC Chesterfield

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    greg, Dec 6, 2004
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  2. <snip>

    Will you just **** off with this shit?

    Oh, and from your email addie, you seem to be Bill Fowler who, IIRC,
    started the UBG and probably the website this came from. **** off
    anyway, spamming twat.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 6, 2004
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  3. fun, ain't they?

    Mind, only about 2 out of 10 for posting the whole lot, you could've just
    posted the link, and we could've gone and looked at it.

    http://www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk/boxer

    see? only takes up one line.
     
    Austin Shackles, Dec 6, 2004
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  4. actually, the site's OK, pity he had to post a pile of stuff as well. Sort
    of an online UBG, and reasonably well done - links to eBay searches for the
    relevant makes and so on.
     
    Austin Shackles, Dec 6, 2004
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  5. Fine, but he's still a spamming twat.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 6, 2004
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  6. greg

    Timo Geusch Guest

    The Older Gentleman was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
    ^ ^ ^ ^
    I'd say that part is redundant.
     
    Timo Geusch, Dec 6, 2004
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  7. greg

    Lozzo Guest

    greg said...
    BMWs suck.
     
    Lozzo, Dec 6, 2004
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  8. well I like mine, so nyer nyer thbhtttt!
     
    Austin Shackles, Dec 6, 2004
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  9. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember (greg)
    saying something like:
    GS850.

    --

    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 6, 2004
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  10. greg

    Lozzo Guest

    greg said...
    Not a BMW, that's for sure. For a start you'll be lucky to get an R80
    past 70K miles without the valve heads falling off.

    BMW parts are not cheap and they are frequently required, don't kid
    yourself. All the BMW owners I know are scarily knowledgeable about the
    parts catalogue for their model. I know very few owners of Japanese
    bikes who need to be.
     
    Lozzo, Dec 6, 2004
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  11. Or 550. Plenty of Hondas.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 7, 2004
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  12. mind, honda have a long history of dodgy camchain tensioners...

    actually, most of the BMW stuff for earlier ones isn't silly money,
    especially compared with how much honda want for parts, *after* they made
    'em cheaper...
     
    Austin Shackles, Dec 7, 2004
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  13. greg

    Lozzo Guest

    Austin Shackles said...
    There's a big difference between someone picking up an old CB250G5 for
    pennies, and some bloke blathering about how brilliant his overpriced
    BMW is when everyone around him knows they're crap. The only people who
    rate BMWs are the daft sods who bought them believing the hype, and
    they're too ashamed to admit their mistake so join the "say they're
    excellent bikes" brigade.
    But you need the BMW stuff on a more regular basis, so they work out
    more expensive. It wouldn't be so bad if they were rewarding to ride,
    but they're *fucking* awful.
     
    Lozzo, Dec 7, 2004
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  14. What he said. Given the superb dynamics of BMW's sports saloons (think
    3-series and those fabulous engines), why they can't pull off the sam
    truick with their bikes defeats me.

    The *only* exception I'll make is for the GS, and that has nothing to do
    with its engine - it'd be fabulous whatever powerplant you threw at it.

    I *might* make allowances for the 650 singles as well, on the grounds
    that for an entry-level bike, they're not bad at all.

    But the rest of the twins, and those god-awful sluggardly fours: I'm
    with Lozzo. They're shite.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 7, 2004
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  15. greg

    Timo Geusch Guest

    The Older Gentleman was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
    <small voice>
    I dunno, I quite liked my K100RS 4V. Wasn't that expensive to run
    either.
    </sv>

    I wouldn't mind a GS, me, although I'd probably have a hard time to
    choose between the R100 and R1100...
     
    Timo Geusch, Dec 7, 2004
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  16. I know what you mean. But ShiteOldBeemers are a different kettle of fish
    - I like a lot of the old boxers, and I have a sneaking reagrd for the
    original K100RS (I was on the pressluanch of that). I was really
    referring to modern Beemers. And they're (mostly) shite.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 7, 2004
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  17. greg

    Timo Geusch Guest

    The Older Gentleman was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
    Well, things certainly went downhill somewhat when they decided to add
    some hi-tech to the agricultural machine.

    Trouble is, that the newer ones seem to be a weird mix of 'built by
    designers' and 'built by engineers' with a few accountants stirred
    in. The Italians may be able to build bikes that way, but every
    engineer down their fancies himself as a designer. That it doesn't
    work that well in Berlin doesn't surprise me.
     
    Timo Geusch, Dec 7, 2004
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  18. so my SOBoxer with the modified suspension is OK then?

    actually, I've yet to discover the limits of the handling on it, perhaps
    that makes me a wimp.
     
    Austin Shackles, Dec 7, 2004
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  19. well, I dunno. apart from the bits for the mods, the only thing I've done
    to mine is fit batteries (one died for no good reason, bastard thing), tyres
    and a set of piston rings. It could do with new valve guides sometime, as
    it's a bit smoky on one side.

    Mind, I grant you I modified the suspension, but it handles pretty sweetly
    now, by SOB standards.
     
    Austin Shackles, Dec 7, 2004
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  20. greg

    Steve Parry Guest

    In

    Phew guess I'm sort of OK with the F and the K-RS then ;o)

    --
    Steve Parry

    http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

    http://www.arrivedeprived.org.uk/

    K100RS SE
    F650
    (not forgetting the SK90PY)
     
    Steve Parry, Dec 8, 2004
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