Beer witchlet and Wintersun

Considering the erosion of civil liberties involved now is not a great
time for levity , it might even effect the old farts and youngsters on
jappas .

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 19 May 2008 09:45:54 +1000

It has a very good chance of affecting anyone who associates with
anyone who associates with people who might be members of an
organisation that becomes a "declared organisation".

An organisation can become a "declared organisation" if members of the
police force provide a statutory declaration that they believe members
of that organisation are engaging in criminal activities.

Once the organisation is declared then members may not associate with
each other, and anyone who associates with them must prove that they
are not associating with them for "criminal reasons".

Note the onus. Ever tried to prove a negative?

Now anyone who so associates is going to bring anyone *they* associate
with into the orbit of this legislation as the definition of "member"
is pretty damn loose.

I note that I regularly associate with a member of an organisation
that will almost certainly be a "declared organisation" in SA, and
when I do so I have been known to discuss illegal activities.

(after all, lanesplitting, toll protests, helmel law protests, unlicenced
riding, and underage drinking are all illegal and I and members of the
NSWMCC have discussed all of the above with members of the UMC who are
the umbrella organisation of the various patch clubs in NSW who send
delegates to the MCC)

Sure, the police will only target the bad guys. Who they can tell (I
have proved by actual test) by what they wear...

Zebee

 

This style of legislation was introduced years ago in Unzud , to the
point whereby three or person in a public place could be ( so silly
really) arrested or moved on as declared against the public interest
without recourse , now who can honestly say these laws can't and wont be
abused .Come on raise your hand ( a very succinct consideration in your
post Z)Incidentally the unzud laws were removed but it took major public
pressure including some huge demonstrations( my Mum egged the pm and
many were arrested in protest) in deleting it . Considering the public
apathy currently displayed some public review and objection is in order.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 19 May 2008 10:27:42 +1000

heh. sounds like Section 54b of the Police Act in WA.

I took part in the protests against that, along with the Catholic and
Anglican Archbishops and the Chief Rabbi, all of whom took exception
to being told they had to get written permission from the police to
hold a wedding outdoors.

(or, considering the very wooly definition of "public place" to
holding a meeting for worship in a church)

The legislation was originally for union busting to nail stop work
meetings, but came in handy for all sorts of things.

The SA legislation is a bit less all encompassing (be fun to have the
Catholic Church become a "declared organisation" because of all that
abuse coverup, but never happen) but the abuse potential is obvious,
and the collateral damage even more obvious. It's designed to isolate
people, designed to break up groups of friends who may have nothing
more in common than they like to race bikes (there were patch club
members of the racing club I used to belong to).

Problem is that because it is less encompassing, there will be less
opposition.

Zebee

 

Yet another reason to be grateful I'm not related to you.

JL

 

Well you won't be in the will , but considering your life style presents
little problem
I agree whole heartedly with the old saying


"Grow old disgracefully and become a burden to your children"

which if they want the leaving means they have to change my bib when I
am old and more incontinent /

 

If you think a bib is useful in dealing with an incontinent, then said
children might be able to make case to have you put away already.

 

Yup, for a while there it was illegal in Perth to say g'day to more
than one person whilst waiting for the 'green' light to come on.

Theo

 

But, if you've been round to my place and had a Coopers or two, does
that mean I'm in trouble?

Even sillier, what about Angie?

Presumably the chain of association only stops when it hits Labour Part
membership.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

That's what the undies are for . and I get 4 days use on a trip away

 

Geez you keep on giving me reasons to be grateful then don't you !

Bibs usually go around the neck...

JL

 

You need reasons?

Moike

 

Just remember the other saying, "be kind to your kids, they will
choose your nursing home"!

SteveB

 

I expect to outlive them and the eventualty you suggest was allowed for ,

 

Yes of course, I don't arbitrarily dislike people. Atec has of course
given me more than enough reasons to be grateful I can choose whether or
not to associate with him without causing any upset to anyone I care
about (as would be the case if I were related to him - thankfully I am not)

JL

 

??
And?
??

 

It's a cruisy job?

Theo