Best place for brake discs?..

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Spike, Aug 26, 2005.

  1. Spike

    Spike Guest

    Ive tried all the usual (M and P etc) but was thinking maybe someone has a
    suggestion for a better deal...

    Needed for a litre fazer...
     
    Spike, Aug 26, 2005
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  2. Spike

    Steve Parry Guest

    Spike fumbled, fiddled and fingered:
    attached to the wheels usually ;)

    --
    Steve Parry
    K100RS SE & F650
    and a 520i SE Touring for comfort

    (not forgetting the SK90PY)

    http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk
     
    Steve Parry, Aug 26, 2005
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    Daz Guest

    Never used them but might be worth a try...

    http://www.brakes4u.co.uk/
     
    Daz, Aug 26, 2005
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  4. Spike

    Wik Guest

    Oh aye, indeed. Top geezers and geezeress'. Sorted me out with FOAD
    grooved and dimpled discs, front and rear, plus the "Redstuff" ceramic
    pads for about a third the cost of genuine Audi bits.

    With the able assistance of his Pipness (read: he did it) I now have
    fade-free stopping.

    Definitely worth a shot as they're quite near the factory I believe...
     
    Wik, Aug 26, 2005
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  5. Spike

    Wik Guest

    I thought you were sticking some uberbrakes on it, anyway?

    If I had the dosh, I'd have gone for these:
    http://www.amdtechnik.com/product.details.cfm?ProductID=645&VariantID=27
    &ReferenceID=3305

    However, that was one chunk of money I really couldn't justify, so, a
    compromise was sought. The guys at AmD (above), /really/ know their
    shit, especially with respect to performace AWD vehicles like the S3.
    If they recommend EBC, then I buy EBC. They did and I have :)

    Greenstuff pads, sir.
     
    Wik, Aug 26, 2005
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  6. Spike

    platypus Guest

    I'm getting slightly mixed up with all these numbers in different threads.
    Let me get this straight: is the 740 a car or a phone?
     
    platypus, Aug 26, 2005
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  7. Spike

    Wik Guest

    Indeed. In my case, the weasels at the Audi stealership had informed me
    my brakes were fucked (it transpires they weren't) and I needed new ones
    at a cost of around £1500. Bollocks to that.
    Funny thing is, brake designers (at the high end of stuff) are
    increasingly looking to going the other way...
    Almost exactly my reaction and believe me there are /far/ pricier and
    only moderately more useful systems out there from Porsche to Brembo to
    Lockheed/AP (in order of gob-smacking price).
    It's basically the performance rating based on use, wear rate, etc. The
    "compound" if you like of the pads. The Fast/heavy Street ones are
    Greenstuff and are recommended as a replacement for OEM pads without
    having to upgrade the discs. Nice bonus is that they produce a /lot/
    less dust than even the OEM pads.

    Redstuff (like mine) are the Fast Road/Trackday type pads and work best
    with performance discs.

    Yellowstuff, incidentally, are the new Fast-Road/Race pads -- uber high
    temp resistance but fast warm-up and good initial bite. Haven't heard
    much about them, yet and brakes4u don't list them, yet. But I can't see
    them selling many more Reds if these new Yellows are as good as
    reckoned.

    Still think you ought to try the Greens as a quick and cheap upgrade.

    Here: http://www.brakes4u.co.uk/categories.asp?cat=5030

    That should be the page for all 740s (I couldn't remember what yours
    is). Click the appropriate link and window-shop away.
     
    Wik, Aug 26, 2005
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  8. bwahahahahahahaha
     
    Paul Corfield, Aug 26, 2005
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  9. Spike

    frag Guest

    platypus scribbled:
    WCs sofas sperm count. HTH.
     
    frag, Aug 26, 2005
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  10. Spike

    Muck Guest

    I thought it was a printer.
     
    Muck, Aug 26, 2005
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  11. Spike

    Wik Guest

    Hmm, the ones shown appear no different from those I've got and mine are
    *not* drilled; they're dimpled/slotted. There was an explanation for
    this but I'm buggered if I can remember why...

    Incidentally, the description for both yours and mine is the same, just
    different part numbers.

    I'd still go for the Greenstuff pads as a quick fix if your discs are in
    good shape. My front discs were approaching the wear limit so would
    have needed replacing soon anyway, otherwise I'd have got the
    Greenstuffs until I killed them and /then/ put on new discs.
     
    Wik, Aug 27, 2005
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Drilled discs used in the wet have the potential to fade because the
    water in the holes can turn to steam and push the pads away from the
    discs. Apparently.

    Personally I think the above theory is a load of old bollocks but the
    guy that explained why some discs are slotted and some drilled plus
    why some are drilled and ventilated used to design brake systems for
    GP karts and motorbikes so he might have known something.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Aug 27, 2005
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  13. Spike

    Pip Guest

    Pip, Aug 27, 2005
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  14. So do I. I mean, the steam-filled holes are only going to be against the
    pads for a nanosecond before they carry on rotating and all the steam
    will simply vent to atmosphere.
    People started drilling discs because they thought it improved
    wet-weather performance. Allegedly, it sometimes made things worse
    because the holes cated as reservoirs. I don't buy that one, either.

    Now (apparently) they drill (or slot) for lightness, and also because it
    helps prevent squeal.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 27, 2005
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  15. Spike

    Zanziba Guest

    I always thought they were drilled:

    1) to remove grease and grime from the disk.

    2) They were drilled at "Random" intervals so that the disk has no resonance
    and hence is less likely to vibrate?

    I have no idea why I have thought this or where the info comes from so is
    probably bollox.
     
    Zanziba, Aug 27, 2005
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  16. It's bollocks on both counts. And think - if you drilled oles at random,
    wouldn't you end up with a seriously out-of-balance disc?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 27, 2005
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  17. Spike

    frag Guest

    The Older Gentleman scribbled:
    If the discs were those ventilated ones, which look like two discs
    connected together by the ventilation vanes, don't the holes go right
    through, and so any steam pressure would escape by coming out of the
    vented gap?

    I can see the lightness thing, and I suppose it also has the same
    effects as the wavy discs, I think one benefit of those is they prevent
    glazing of the pads due to overheating?
     
    frag, Aug 27, 2005
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  18. Spike

    Zanziba Guest

    Thought as much
    Hadn't thought of that but it is a good point. But the holes are not evenly
    spreed around the disk are they?
     
    Zanziba, Aug 27, 2005
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    That was the original reasoning behind ventilated discs. Slotted discs
    were the next evolution when it came to clearing water but imo the
    best way to clear water is to keep the discs hot.

    The guys I worked for used to sell different calipers for wet weather
    use as well as a big range of discs/pads but changes like that only
    really count in motorsport and are pointless on the road.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Aug 27, 2005
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  20. Some aren't, but if you look closely, you'll see that they're drilled in
    such a position that the disc is still evenly balanced and weighted.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 27, 2005
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