[QUOTE="Baron Von Rotter"] Hi chris, if you ride with the cars, your treated like one, only the drivers forget to look for you. A driver is conditioned to look for a large cross section of 4 wheeled metal, you are about 1/5 of that, so they dont see you. The safest place is to hang back, or get up the front of em all where they will see you. Im an advocate of lane splitting to the front of the lights... but make sure you have the mumbo to get out of the way of them when your off the line. There is nothing more frustrating than a dickhead on a 250 Rossi replica blade making his way up the front on La trobe street melbourne... only to be blown off by the Underdog Leathers battlewagon 3 times before the concept sunk in... and even then...... with all the best intentions... a 250 will not blow off a V6 kraut mobile with a ** cunt like me at the wheel. :P[/QUOTE] ** (You left out "spamming").... Postman Pat