Bin Laden down!

Beav escribió:

Reminds me of when the yanks took over our little firm (Dr Solomons). "It's
going to be a roller-coaster ride!!!" "If it don't blue-screen, ship it!!!"

Half left and the rest of us stayed long enough to pay the mortgage off.
God, I'm so shallow.

I used to always be in trouble for not going to the "all-hands" tele-
meetings.

 

Whilst I'm not one for conspiracy theories in general, I'm still very highly
suspicious of it all.

For example, when Uday and Qusay (Saddam's sons) were killed, the photos of the
pair of them, dead, were highly touted on all news sites. In this case,
there's been nothing (not that I'm aware of). The only photo I've been pointed
at, has been shown to be a shopped photo.

There are no apparent videos showing the operation in action.

The yanks have claimed to have given Osama a sea burial five hours after the
operation. Now whilst the merkins tout the fact that they believe that Islam
is a peaceful religion, etc, etc, can it seriously be said that they respected
the religion of Islam and acted said sea burial within five hours for someone
who has obviously completely turned the beliefs of Islam to something that
suits his own ends?

Are the American public so naive to believe the fact that the above happened
without any proof? Oh, yes, DNA. Great, okay. When (and where) was the sample
taken from? Even if there have been tests proving this, I'd like to see
independant tests done (on the blood in the compound, for example).

If I was in the Merkin government, I'd have been showing photos and videos
galore.

I'm quite convinced that Osama is dead, but I'm sceptical that it was done in
the recent operation. It's been stated quite a few times in the past, that the
yanks believe he was killed in the mountains but no proof was ever found.
Considering the amount of fire power that has rained down in areas like Tora
Bora, I think it highly unlikely that proof _ever_ would have been found.

Further to this, videos of Osama over the past few years have never given
any real indication as to where he was, or more critically, when he was; as
copies of the local version of "The Sun" were never shown with him at the time.
I don't believe (IIRC) that any of these videos have ever been independantly
reviewed and confirmed as being true.

Personally? I think the yanks knew this and wanted to put this story to rest
by concocting this mission. It means that a dubious chapter in history will be
closed. I'd love to see me being proved wrong.

It's not, by any means, made the world a safer place.

The above has been brought to you, by the fact that I got my Saudi visa this
afternoon.

 

R4's just said that photos were taken, but haven't been released by the
US authorities.

 

As conspiracy theories go this comes with a very strong hint of
plausibility.

I am easy. I doubt I will ever know the real truth so am sort of happy to
accept the winners version until the likes of you get what you want.

Ain't dat de truff.

Have the Saudis got anything like our version of our Special Plod? The
sort like we used to meet a little too often down Southend on Sea sea
front when I were a lad: part time real plod who only do it for the fight
and free donuts on a Saturday Night? You could join and earn money while
having fun at the weekend.

 

Just heard that too.

 

They have the Muttawa, which IIRC are volunteers. But nothing like the
Special Plod but can be considered as Religious Special Plod.

 

<http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5242.htm> (SFW)

 

Let's start with Occam's Razor. Since Tora Bora there have been
several reported tapes and other output supposedly coming from Bin
Laden. Whether he died or not was an open question. US forces have
been looking for him ever since, or proof that he was dead. The story
behind this raid seems rational. If Bin Laden were already dead, why
not just say so and save the money, time and political effort? (Unless
it's to embarrass the Pakistani government, which is a very sketchy
thing to do.) If he's not dead and the operation was a fake, we'd know
very quickly and the US would seem foolish. Washington is smart enough
to know that. I think we can safely assume Bin Laden is now dead, one
way or the other.

As for evidence, it's been less than 24 hours. There most certainly
was video coverage by the the helicopters and helmet cams, but whether
we ever see it, who knows? The report says 4 men and 1 woman killed
and 2 wounded. "After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden,"
President Obama said. It sounds like the team just went in and shot
anyone who had a weapon, then executed Bin Laden. I have no problem
with that. A major strategy in US policy is to marginalize Al Qaeda as
much as possible. Making Bin Laden disappear without a trace - no
body, no photos, nothing his followers can cling to, is not a bad
idea. It wouldn't surprise me if his body actually is in a coffin in
Ft Knox locked up forever, or until it's politically necessary to
display it.

Respecting Islam & the sea burial? As you say, Bin Laden was not a
good Muslim. No problem.

Is the world a better place? There's one less bad man, but others will
take his place. With all the unrest in the Arab world, will any of it
result in a better world for them? Who knows?

 

You're not alone, but have you noticed something quite interesting about
this? Each time there has been a 'conspiracy theory' in the past, it has
been 'denied' by various 'official' sources (usually with mock
indignation), and then repeated by people here on Usenet, on web-based
forums, etc. This time, the 'blogosphere' (if you will) has taken it upon
itself to back up an official story, where there is (as yet) absolutely no
evidence whatsoever. The Establishment must be delighted that the sheep
are now doing their work for them.

The above is what spoils an otherwise interesting analysis on the
situation, into ridiculous political correctness, due - I can only suppose
- to your having spent far too long in Arab countries, yet always as a
visitor, and believing the line that Islam is 'a peaceful religion'. Allow
me to disabuse you of that notion ..

His dead sister, I believe.

Don't hold your breath.

They may still do so.

I've seen a report that he was already dead, but it was on the Fox News
website, so can safely be ignored, for the moment.

The one in which he 'admitted' to having been responsible for 11/9 was
such a gross and amateurish fabrication that even the US government seems
to have distanced itself from it.

It won't harm Obama's chances of reelection.

No.

But then, it's too late to make the world 'a safer place', now. When the
'spiritual guide' for Hizbollah says ..

'You might not know the Islamic Republic of France. But your
grandchildren or your great grandchildren will know it, inch'Allah'

... there's really no doubting their intentions.

Still ... to re-use that old quote: you will not be able to claim 'we did
not know'.

Like you did in 1933 - 1944.

Bon voyage.
--
des
'If the Arabs laid down their weapons today there would be no more
violence. If the Jews laid down their weapons today, there would be no
more Israel ...'
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

 

Oh, really? Wot, you mean like 'Washington was smart enough' to know that
US soldiers in Iraq would not be 'greeted as liberators'? Like 'Washington
was smart enough' to know that the net result would be _more_ fuckwads
blowing themselves up in cafes and discotheques, and not fewer?

--
des
'If we ever get anything like a kind of just society, things like my
standard of living may very well not exist. In that sense, there will
be, I think, material deprivation in some manner for a large part of
the population. And I think there ought to be'
(Noam Chomsky (1928 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

 

Never mind the Irish ...

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone>
--
des
'It simply cannot be disputed that for decades, the Palestinian
leadership was more interested in there not being a Jewish state, than
in there being a Palestinian state'
(Professor Alan M. Dershowitz (1938 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

 

I know it may seem America always wants to be at war somewhere, but
it's really not true. Once a generation is plenty. Test the equipment,
battle train the officers and NCOs, yeah, but ya gotta have at least a
few years peace.

 

One thing is sure: this ..

<http://www.good.is/post/osama-bid-laden-dead-world-trade-center-celebration-slideshow/>

... means that you have lost all right to complain the next time 'the Arab
street' starts handing out sweets to celebrate the death of an American or
an Isra^H^H^HJew.

--
des
'Most people are unable to write because they are unable to think, and
they are unable to think because they congenitally lack the equipment
to do so, just as they congenitally lack the equipment to fly over the
moon'
(H.L. Mencken)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

 

Something to take your mind off it ..

<http://is.gd/OeH2SB> (SFW)

 

"Donnie" wrote in message
Took them long enough but they got there in the end I guess.

 

What do you think a body looks like after two shots through the head?
unless they were using small calibre jacketed ammo. Maybe not the best
press release.

 

Who cares? The fact that no one has seen any corroborating evidence is
highly suss.

 

Ok so we are all agreeing that it is poorly done but we are all bright
boys, girls and others around here and not yer natural market for those
wanting to convince anybody in this matter and frankly compared to those
with which it will be successful a piddling small group in number even if
we add in the bloke down the pub last night who was sober enough to
exchange political opinions with a stranger in a strange pub with.

My question is: who, apart from red necked mercainia, is going to be
convinced by this and perhaps even more important by what bits?

We need to pull it apart not by how fucking bad it is by our standards but
to actively look for points where it is good and be mindful of them in
case ours ever want to do the same thing with us and notice the successful
bits too.

Whoever it was who said you have to be mindful of your freedoms said it
before we even thought about freedom of thought let alone freedom of
manipulation of thought and although he didn't know it at the time he was
a man thinking well ahead of his or a woman ahead of hers but probably not
another ahead of theirs as they didn't have them back them unless eunoques
count and I doubt he was the first and he certainly won't be the last and
it probably dates back to a time before even that too so in a sense he was
only repeating what we have all been saying since we first became we but
it changes the truth of it not a jot.

Whatever the reasons and personally I think examining the economics of
being a superpower during interesting times will give the biggest clues to
what is behind all this and where they want to go next with us, I hope it
all turns out for the best.

 

I agree completely.
And if the face is "gone" then what use is a photograph anyway.

There are many people, shit I know people, who do not believe that the US
moon landings were real. People insist the Van Allen radiation belt is
impossible for humans to pass through (GCSE-Physics failures).

 

You're possibly quite right. However if the yanks haven't got anything
to hide, why are they?