BMW new 6 cyl bike

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Mister Biggus, Nov 17, 2009.

  1. http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-concept-6-six-cylinder-motorcycle/13346/

    God its ugly..... but 1600cc of torque...



    BMW released stunning images this week of a new concept motorcycle
    that nobody saw coming, featuring the resurgence of an engine
    configuration we all thought was long-dead. In recent years Triumph
    has stamped itself as the master of modern triples, and now BMW has
    made a clear statement of intent that it's bringing the inline six
    back to the bike world. The Concept 6 showcases a brand-new 1600cc
    engine that's four inches narrower than any previous production six,
    and produces truly prodigious power and torque throughout the rev
    range. And it's housed in a cafe racer body that has to go down as the
    sexiest motorcycle design BMW have ever produced. Sensational stuff...
    We can has production model plz?

    Six-cylinder motorcycles
    Inline six-cylinder motorcycle engines don't make a huge amount of
    sense on paper - for a given engine capacity, they tend to be heavier
    and considerably wider than a comparable four-cylinder. They deliver
    power, grunt and smoothness advantages, but historically, not enough
    to compensate for their weight. Even so, when Honda's CBX1000 debuted
    in the late 1970s, its exotic engine and six snaking, chrome headers
    made it an instant cult classic that still turns heads to this day.

    But the CBX was, at its heart, simply a branding measure - a monument
    to Honda's engineering prowess and a demonstration that the company
    could build exciting, excessive machines. It fascinated the punters
    and delivered ball-tearing performance for its day, but the engine's
    power was gobbled up by its excessive weight, and its imposing width
    played merry hell with the bike's center of gravity, resulting in
    handling troubles that could never be compensated for - at least when
    it was placed alongside four-cylinder wonders like Suzuki's GSX and
    the later V-4 Honda Interceptor.

    Today there are precious few production sixes on the motorcycle
    market. Honda's Goldwing is the only major contender; the GL has been
    gradually increasing its engine capacity over the years but sticking
    to a flat six format since 1988. Testers frequently describe the
    current-generation GL1800 engine as the smoothest powerplant they have
    ever sampled.

    Still, the idea of high-performance six-cylinder motorcycles has
    pretty much wandered off the radar in recent years. Suzuki's
    Stratosphere concept of 2005 raised a lot of eyebrows, but there
    haven't been any hints that the "New Katana" will actually get off the
    ground. So when BMW released details of its Concept 6 cafe racer this
    week, perhaps the biggest surprise was the strong language in the
    press release promising that the new Bavarian inline six isn't just an
    engineering exercise:

    "The new BMW straight-six will further expand the K-Series in the
    foreseeable future. The first model to be introduced will be an
    innovative and luxurious BMW touring machine."

    So, having established that a Beemer Six is indeed on the way, let's
    take a closer look at the Concept 6.

    The Concept 6 engine - 1600cc of pure, 6-cylinder grunt
    The Concept 6 design team was determined not to let the engine blow
    out to the party-pooping width of the CBX's imposing donk - and it
    looks like they've done a good job keeping it acceptably narrow. Each
    cylinder is still slightly oversquare (its bore is slightly larger
    than its stroke), which will help it spin up and develop horsepower at
    higher revs, but the stroke is relatively long compared to the ratios
    used in BMW's inline fours, keeping those cylinder bores as narrow as
    possible while retaining the ability to rev.

    There's very little space in between cylinders, and the alternator and
    other electrics have been relocated from the side of the engine back
    behind the crankshaft in the spot above the transmission. The overall
    result is a motor that BMW claims is four whole inches narrower than
    the previous thinnest inline six on the market - and only slightly
    wider than a big inline four.

    With a capacity of 1600cc, and all the extra exhaust headers and gear
    required by an inline six, it's still going to be a very heavy
    powerplant, but BMW have used a trick from their K-series sportsbikes
    to neutralize the negative effects that big lump of metal could have
    on the bike's handling. With the engine tilted forward by 55 degrees,
    the main bulk of the cylinder bank is kept low, pushing the centre of
    gravity down and forward, which should help keep the bike flickable
    and fun in the twisties.

    Peak output will reportedly be similar to the K1300 series engines -
    somewhere around 170 horsepower - but the big six will belt out a
    massive 130 Nm of torque from just 2000rpm. For reference, the torque
    monster Suzuki GSX1400 peaks at about 125 Nm at around 4700rpm. The
    new engine's torque peak is unspecified, but it should rev as high as
    9000rpm, making it a hugely flexible powerplant that BMW believes will
    be "the ideal power unit for a range of different motorcycles." Yummy!

    The BMW Concept 6 Cafe Racer
    It's a pity the first new-age Beemer Six is going to be a tourer -
    because this sporty concept is an absolute stunner. Looking like a
    marriage between the K1200R and a Buell Cyclone, the Concept 6 is a
    techno-masterpiece of design.

    Interestingly, the design team chose not to fetishize the big engine
    or display acres of header chrome a la the Honda CBX - but then, their
    hands were forced by the engine tilt, which pretty much puts the
    exhaust headers out of view under the bike's belly. An inline engine
    at that sort of angle is always going to look a little awkward, but
    the lines through the rest of the bike are absolutely gorgeous,
    particularly in the way the tank integrates with the miniature front
    fairing. Even the tail-light is beautiful - a red-hot trail of fire
    extending directly from the rider's backside, representing exactly the
    kind of reaction you'd expect a 1600cc inline six to engender.

    The front end suspension is a Duolever system like what you'd see on a
    K1300R, the rear swingarm doubles as a shaft-drive and torque reaction
    is nullified by its Paralever 'ankle.' The primary cue that the bike
    is a six-cylinder comes from the three flared exhaust chambers that
    exit low and wide just behind the rider's feet - a muscular look that
    is echoed in the chunky intake ducts peeking out beneath the tank.

    The dash takes the interesting step of eliminating the tacho, instead
    showing a readout of how much torque is available at the current
    engine speed - the theory being that with an engine this grunty
    throughout the rev range there's no need to go hunting for a redline.

    The Concept 6 sweeps aside the rest of the BMW range in terms of
    exciting design - and even tops the fantastic Lo-Rider concept for
    pure visual thrill. In typical BMW style, it looks more like a
    finished bike than a concept - and the kind of bike only BMW could
    build. Maybe, if we wish hard enough...
     
    Mister Biggus, Nov 17, 2009
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    G-S Guest

    earlier with the Honda 750/4 and the subsequent and much better Kawasaki
    Z1 900 cc the CBX1000 is clearly inferior to the larger, more powerful
    and far more impressive Kawasaki Z1300 inline six. [1]


    G-S

    [1] So I'm a former Z1300 owner... doesn't mean I'm biased :)
     
    G-S, Nov 17, 2009
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    Deevo Guest

    Deevo, Nov 17, 2009
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    JL Guest

    Seems to me it's main aesthetic problem is the stretched swingarm and
    heavy rake on the front making it's proportions a little odd - bring
    those in and it would be "OK" (not that any of the K series have been
    good looking - determinedly ugly I would think)

    THIS however is interesting

    http://www.gizmag.com/mavizen-ttx02-electric-motorcycle/13321/

    Anyone want to go shares in setting up an importing business with
    me ? ;-)

    JL
     
    JL, Nov 17, 2009
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    Jeff R. Guest

    "Dry weight is 110kg which jumps to 160kg once batteries are added"

    LOL!
    Liberal usage of expression "dry weight"!

    (What do electrons weight?)
     
    Jeff R., Nov 17, 2009
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  6. In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:49:20 -0800 (PST)
    80 to 200km range and a torch strapped to the fairing as a headlight,
    nothing can go wrong!

    I wonder how hard it would be to put a headlight in given it has
    the wiring, and just how much ADR compliance costs...

    (And where these days you can do home to racer road, hoon about, and
    come home in less than 200km. )

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 17, 2009
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    BT Humble Guest

    Approximately 9.109×10^-28 grams.

    Why do you ask?


    BTH
     
    BT Humble, Nov 17, 2009
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    Jeff R. Guest

    [mumble mumble click click click]

    ....just trying to calculate the *actual* fuelled weight of the Mavizen.

    Now... how many electrons req'd to fill it up?
     
    Jeff R., Nov 17, 2009
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    BT Humble Guest

    I'd need to know the system voltage to tell you that (they only
    mentioned the Ah capacity of the batteries).


    BTH
     
    BT Humble, Nov 18, 2009
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    Jeff R. Guest

    Hnh.

    trivial problem.

    I need to find a calculator with more zeroes.
     
    Jeff R., Nov 18, 2009
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    CrazyCam Guest

    JL wrote:

    Well, not I, John.

    Trust me, you don't want to do it either.

    Years ago, before anyone was importing Peugeot scooters, I came back
    from Europe all gung ho to import some of the SpeedFlight 100s, but when
    I found out how much bullshit and fucking about was required, I gave it
    up as a joke.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Nov 18, 2009
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    Andrew Guest

    Tempting offer. Australia has a HUGE market for $50,000+ electric
    motorcycles.
     
    Andrew, Nov 18, 2009
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    Hammo Guest


    Was with you until the price!
    H
     
    Hammo, Nov 18, 2009
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    JL Guest

    Yeah fair point

    JL
     
    JL, Nov 18, 2009
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    JL Guest

    Mmm I suspect the market is bigger than you assume, but I'd agree the
    price is a barrier, I suspect there is a much larger market at a price
    point half that. The question of range is also an issue if you want to
    use it as anything other than a track day bike

    I don't think we have more than one or two sportsbikers on here - I'll
    have to find an appropriate forum to ask the question (ie would you
    pay 25-30K for something unusual)

    JL
     
    JL, Nov 18, 2009
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    JL Guest

    Mmm I think it's mostly intended as a track bike in that config
    Not difficult for the headlight I would think but the ADR part could
    suck.
    Eastern Creek, Phillip Island...

    JL
     
    JL, Nov 18, 2009
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  17. Mmm I suspect the market is bigger than you assume, but I'd agree the
    price is a barrier, I suspect there is a much larger market at a price
    point half that. The question of range is also an issue if you want to
    use it as anything other than a track day bike

    I don't think we have more than one or two sportsbikers on here - I'll
    have to find an appropriate forum to ask the question (ie would you
    pay 25-30K for something unusual)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are talking 1098, RC8 and MV 312 money there. It is a lot of dough for a
    bike that has nowhere near that perfomance.

    Fraser
     
    Fraser Johnston, Nov 18, 2009
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    James C Guest

    James C, Nov 18, 2009
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    Andrew Guest

    W00t! Pun of the year (not that the other contenders were much chop).
     
    Andrew, Nov 18, 2009
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    TimC Guest

    'the bike is a "laptop on wheels" that runs on the Linux OS,'

    Are they crazy! They get some fool like me come along, upgrade the
    kernel, and it panics mid corner!

    'comes with with integrated IP connectivity and a USB based system bus
    for open source engine management'

    At least it's not bluetooth:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Sr9uBUFhk3c/Sb9zoPig-dI/AAAAAAAAADo/1n9d1dfnxQE/s1600-h/untitled.bmp
     
    TimC, Nov 18, 2009
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