Hog wrote[QUOTE] I know it's easier to get and they open late but I think Draper Expert stuff is much better while being cheaper than snap-on. Most good industrial hardware stores keep their stuff and they have a new (crap) website [URL="http://www.drapertools.com/b2c/start-page.html"]www.drapertools.com/b2c/start-page.html[/URL][/QUOTE] It must be a skinny cunt thing I suppose but I don't get tools breaking on me. I can't even get the cheap shit made out of cheese to bend when I throw my entire weight at it in an enthusiastic manner. The bonus I suppose is that it has saved me a fortune in replacements over the years.